New 3d toys? XIII

ccc · Post by **ccc** » 2001-09-06 13:42:00

too lazy to model complex ones, so..for the sake of Realism, three simple toys, one for ODS, the other two could be used in Korea or cold war Europe, or Iran.

Ender Wiggin · Post by **Ender Wiggin** » 2001-09-06 19:08:00

Good job! are any of these models ever gonna be able to be downloaded for everyone?

ccc · Post by **ccc** » 2001-09-07 03:32:00

EW, and all you want 3d toys, whether you can have them, its now up to data patch master Jerry, and some department in F4 SuperPAK group.
i think there's no more "f4terrain theater dat patch", one exe, one patch, all toys.

ccc · Post by **ccc** » 2001-09-07 11:11:00

Ender Wiggin · Post by **Ender Wiggin** » 2001-09-07 12:44:00

ok thx ccc how do i edit textures using lod edit im not getting any where fast and have little idea how to use it. i read the manual and it was greek to me.

Washout · Post by **Washout** » 2001-09-07 12:52:00

Hi CCC

That is the intention of SuperPAK if you are happy to let your models be included - let me know.

BTW - Can you let Jerry or me have a list of models you have done (a zip of them all would be great as well but I'll grab em off of F4LE if it's too much work).

The realism department of F$SuperPAK is currently formulating lists of entities which need data/refined data so if I can have the list I can ensure that the data (FM's, blast radius etc etc) side of things is got underway.

BTW - I am stunned at the quality and speed of your work - excellent stuff.

Later

Chris "Washout" Carter
F4SuperPAK Management
CO: The Vulture Squadron

ccc · Post by **ccc** » 2001-09-07 13:14:00

Thanx Chris, you got to grab them from F4LE

Glad i can share these toys thru F4SP!

btw, update prjoect.xls is sent to jerry.

now this one dedicated to Vnam! small one, dunno why it took me few hours!!

ccc · Post by **ccc** » 2001-09-08 02:49:00

Two for Vnam, one for french a/c!

ccc · Post by **ccc** » 2001-09-08 04:40:00

for russian!

ccc · Post by **ccc** » 2001-09-08 08:30:00

Play BVR?

ccc · Post by **ccc** » 2001-09-09 06:44:00

one more.

Com_gp · Post by **Com_gp** » 2001-09-09 14:15:00

WOW ccc, dont know how you do it, BUT ALL OF THIS LOOKS GREAT

ComGP

Jackal7 · Post by **Jackal7** » 2001-09-09 16:20:00

I can only aspire to be like CCC, my only drawback is time. My day job (AWACS) keeps me away so if I get behind in my work its because I have no time. But I am diligent.

ccc · Post by **ccc** » 2001-09-10 12:44:00

Jackal7:
be sure to use LODC, its a magic tool. you can grab some tampletes on F4LE.

well, this time Mike saves my butt again

thanx Mike for fixing this toy!

RP · Post by RP » 2001-09-10 15:42:00

CCC,

I think your ready for some greater challenges now!!! By the way, when will we see these babies...I think we need them now!

Great work!

ccc · Post by **ccc** » 2001-09-11 00:57:00

quote:Originally posted by RP:
CCC,
I think your ready for some greater challenges now!!..Great work!

Hmm...i think im obssessed by LODC..once i find a side view drawing of some cylinder, cant resist to model it with LODC!!

Believe me, im trying to "upgrade" to advance level , no easy job indeed.
For the time being, only few 3d Masters can perfectly handle complex ones, Rick, Fred, Ripper, Mike, ComGP, etc.

want new toys? ask Chris and Jerry, its up to F4SP guys!

RP · Post by RP » 2001-09-11 01:15:00

By all means...carry on! Your little things mean alot

!!!

ccc · Post by **ccc** » 2001-09-11 12:24:00

Com_gp · Post by **Com_gp** » 2001-09-12 09:51:00

just to say, ef2k mostly finished thanks to Dragon, only some minor stuff yet to do

And for those Thud drivers... its totally mapped, now... the node tree

And a rendered shoot...

ComGP

ccc · Post by **ccc** » 2001-09-12 10:22:00

Brilliant!! I love big toys!!

ccc · Post by **ccc** » 2001-09-12 12:36:00

well, hope somebody could show me line drawings of f105 fuel tank, then i can support ComGP's BIG toy!

keep playing small toy

87th_striker · Post by **87th_striker** » 2001-09-12 16:51:00

Superb work, guys

If we cannot have the F15E , give us Gripen and Su34.

Ender Wiggin · Post by **Ender Wiggin** » 2001-09-12 18:48:00

How bout a new A-10 or maybe and A-6 for Vietnam and ODS?

ccc · Post by **ccc** » 2001-09-13 04:18:00

quote:Originally posted by Ender Wiggin:
How bout a new A-10 or maybe and A-6 for Vietnam and ODS?

F4A is working on A10.
Shawn has modified an EA6B into A6.

ETA? no idea.

Zaggy · Post by **Zaggy** » 2001-09-13 06:00:00

Id settle for a Tornado GR1a, JP233 and cockpit for ODS... 50ft over the desert, screaming thru valleys, to drop some tonnage onto an airbase...

OBTW, Snake Man, havent seen you for a few days... Give me an email dude... Zaggy-meister...

Com_gp · Post by **Com_gp** » 2001-09-13 10:47:00

Hi again,

The EF2k model is getting on final stage

again thanks to Dragon for all he has done, i finished up the node tree, fixing some small lookthrus.
Now adding things such pilot, gears and burners, here is a shoot (sorry for the size)

ComGP

hc_pookie · Post by **hc_pookie** » 2001-09-13 13:13:00

The Tornado 3D model is in-progress.

No idea about the Tornado cockpit, I assume it isn't being developed yet....Could be something you could help with!?!?

I am adding the JP-233 among the weapons to be added in the large Theater patch that I am working on now. ETA ~ 2 weeks for a working version....

- Jerry

ccc · Post by **ccc** » 2001-09-13 13:22:00

Excuse me, so you hint Aeyes' working on that cockpit?

and you got JP233 canister done?
and..whats "large theater patch"? a patch including all new toys? or the one with limited items?

hc_pookie · Post by **hc_pookie** » 2001-09-13 13:24:00

That EF-2000 is looking SWEET!

The EF-2000 Vehicle data is soon to be included in the data patches, so this could be ready to fly in a matter of a few weeks! :^)

I must admit that I'm really excited about that as I've missed it since DiD's EF2K game.

Most of the weapons should be roughly modelled, but I am certain will need a deal of tweaking to get as close to reality as possible.

BTW, check out these pics: http://pookieweb.dyndns.org:61127/f4terrain/right.jpg http://pookieweb.dyndns.org:61127/f4terrain/left.jpg

Notive the 'High-Res' USAF logo on the wings and fuselage? We can do the same thing for the EF2K. Each logo requires 1 4-sided poly. I had to add 4 polys for them - 2 for the wings and 2 for the fuselage.

Notice something else? The starboard tail - with the CORRECTLY aligned letters! No more mirror images....If possible, I'd like to know how you have mapped the starboard tail, and if we need to, we can add a new texture for the starboard tail side in order to have the correct tail markings on both sides of the tail.

Let me know if you need help with the texture mapping.

- Jerry

hc_pookie · Post by **hc_pookie** » 2001-09-13 14:18:00

>Excuse me, so you hint Aeyes' working on
> that cockpit?

Like I said, I assume nothing is being worked on for the Tornado? except for the 3D model?

>and you got JP233 canister done?

In progress. I have it acting like a JP233 in the data files, but I don't have the 3D canister model nor the 3D submunition model..,.

>and..whats "large theater patch"? a patch including all new toys? or the one with limited items?

The same exact patch I've been working on for many weeks. As was already stated, the high priority was to make the Balkans RP5+eF1.10 compatible. Now that I have accomplished this with my database edits, I am focusing on the new objects patches and more 3D modelling.

- Jerry

Ender Wiggin · Post by **Ender Wiggin** » 2001-09-13 18:38:00

Where can i find the A-6? also when will the tail mods be avalible?

Com_gp · Post by **Com_gp** » 2001-09-13 20:45:00

quote:Originally posted by hc_pookie:

No idea about the Tornado cockpit, I assume it isn't being developed yet....Could be something you could help with!?!?

Well, i could try to model a 3d cockpit, but... well, i know how to model stuff but is hard for me modifying Mfd's possitions

quote:Originally posted by hc_pookie:

The EF-2000 Vehicle data is soon to be included in the data patches, so this could be ready to fly in a matter of a few weeks! :^)

Please tell me when its done, ill send you everything you need

quote:Originally posted by hc_pookie:

Notive the 'High-Res' USAF logo on the wings and fuselage? We can do the same thing for the EF2K. Each logo requires 1 4-sided poly. I had to add 4 polys for them - 2 for the wings and 2 for the fuselage.

Notice something else? The starboard tail - with the CORRECTLY aligned letters! No more mirror images....If possible, I'd like to know how you have mapped the starboard tail, and if we need to, we can add a new texture for the starboard tail side in order to have the correct tail markings on both sides of the tail.

Making those logos is easy, but... well, which country should i make??? Spain, Germany, England or Italy????
For you to see the textures, well, i must admit i was a bit too lazy and i just used two textures... here they are

but its posible to solve them

ComGP

ccc · Post by **ccc** » 2001-09-14 03:13:00

[quote]quote:Originally posted by Com_gp:

BTW, ccc has comented me about the square of the radome in the EF2k, well, i think i used a few polys there, thats sad, because i dont know how to remake them without taking me a looooooooong time, im a bit lazy

btw, that textured AB flame is brilliant, i know you add something there once you post thud shots! I'll build some small toys to support Thud!

hc_pookie · Post by **hc_pookie** » 2001-09-14 05:29:00

>Making those logos is easy, but... well, which country should i make??? Spain, Germany, England or Italy????
>For you to see the textures, well, i must admit i was a bit too lazy and i just used two textures... here they are

Make them all!!! :^)

We will make 4 texture sets, each with a different country's emblem on the tail and wings. That way we can utilize the texture set logic in eF1.10 to use different textures based on squadron numbers (in TacEdit). You may even want to make the tail into its own texture so it will be larger. That's totally up to you.

I'll insert the texture sets later so just focus on the bitmaps for now. I'll set up new texture numbers for it too.

BTW I've compiled all of the EF-2000 loadout data together so we at least will have the correct loadouts that are expected to be used. I expect that real-world loadouts won't use every weapon on every hardpoint, in the same manner that the A-10 real-world loadout doesn't use all the hardpoints for normal flights due to weight concerns. I will therefore configure the EF2k loadouts with these real-world weight considerations in mind.

When the Thud gets closer to being ready for prime-time, let me know the total number of textures so I can add them in.

- Jerry

Com_gp · Post by **Com_gp** » 2001-09-14 09:48:00

quote:Originally posted by ccc:

oops! i got no bad intention, i know you do great job and use many polys on radome..just wonder..i suppose that sharp shading could be smoothened out with texture.. sorry i got no idea too

no problem, i know you are right, i mean, i also had noticed that TOO rought radome, mmmmmmh, i maybe finish redoing it again...

quote:Originally posted by hc_pookie:

Make them all!!! :^)

Ok, im gonna start to make them now

well, and now... as always another upgrade shoot of the model with its NEW shadow

ComGP

Widowmaker · Post by **Widowmaker** » 2001-09-14 10:46:00

cool cool cool

Widmak

ccc · Post by **ccc** » 2001-09-14 12:51:00

thanx to KBMIL for line drawings, and superb auto split features in LODC by Mike.

hc_pookie · Post by **hc_pookie** » 2001-09-14 13:13:00

Nice EF2K shadow model!!

Did you notice if it is a solid black polygon or transparent? I found that I had to toggle the trasparency of the B-2 shadow so that it was just like the F-16 shadow. If you load up the F-16 shadow LOD (LOD #2224) and select any of the nodes, you will find that the "node type" is "14". This means the 'transparent' flag is enabled.

Check it in LE in the LOD Edit screen:

1. Double-click on the CP node to open the "Node - Culled Primitive" screen.

2. Click the "pType" button

3. Click the Options-Transparent radio button.

4. Make sure the following conditions are met:
Color - single
Texture - none
Shading - none
Options - Transparent

This is a "type 14" CP node. Now you have the same transparent shadow as for the F-16.

- Jerry

Dragon · Post by **Dragon** » 2001-09-14 15:53:00

Right, and you can use the Batch Node Changer to change all the poly pTypes to "14" at once. I forgot to update those polys on the B2 shadow. I think I did the shadow LOD way before I even knew about the transparent thing.

Com_gp · Post by **Com_gp** » 2001-09-14 17:34:00

Thank you guys, i hadnt noticed that the shadows were transparent, anyways i know how to do it, thanks for your indications, thats the way i made the transparent burner in the F105

About that Batch mode, well, i discovered yesterday after making the whole nodes of the canopy one by one

In what im having problems is adding the logos ive done, ive done a bunch of them, but after importing the 3ds file i export the nodes and i save them as a block file (*.blk) and after that i try to import them in the ef2000 model file, but im not succsesfull, it looks weird.

Thanks for everything,

ComGP