3D Models

[WOLF-257]

Are the 3D Models in F4 a standard type such as 3D Studio or are they a proprietary format such as EAW? Thanks

WOLF

[ccc]

the 3d model format is generated by MultiGen, then converted to its unique format, LOD?.

Wolf, you want to play 3d modeling?

[WOLF-257]

I'll give it a shot,what do i need to work on the models?I got a feeling that the software may cost more than I can afford though.

WOLF

[ccc]

Wolf, I've done some models in 3ds format.
we are waiting converter, be patient.
if you want help mod-making, tell us what you can do, we'll contact you.

[WOLF-257]

Well,I've done some fairly radical changes to the 3D models in EAW.I've been looking at the aircraft in the game and it struck me that besides the F-105 and the Skyraider,the Skyhawk and F-100 are missing.I was interested in doing some modeling on these planes.I have some formal training in both AutoCad and Solid Works.

When you say your waiting on a converter I assume it's a utility to either extract the 3D wire frame from the main file or one to insert the individual files back into the main file once your done working on them.I'm also going to assume that unlike EAW,F4 does not recognize individual files in the folder.

WOLF

[ccc]

in fact i've done skyraider and thud in 3ds format. we can view those wireframe thru Julian's tools. now we are waiting a good converter to import these models.

[Bigfoot1]

Wolf- did I see you somewhere before? (Ajax here)

That's some good news...I use Max 4 on a daily basis (as well as AutoCAD and SolidWorks) and I always wanted to use it for EAW/F4 modelling, but wasn't able to. I remember that F4 editing was primarily done by hex editing, hopefully that will change soon.

Great work on the Nam conversion, guys! Keep it up!

[ccc]

I store my humble 3ds models here:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/F43D

and yes, Julian is working hard on this topic, and, Ripper bring us good news that "see-thru" is no more a problem..got to confirm it.

[Bigfoot1]

Those are some great-looking models...You even got a Crusader there, I hope we'll be able to use it in Nam!

[JimG]

Folks, you can do what you want with the planes. However, for trying to stick with the historical aspect, your focus should be on some of the key players for the era that you are going after. If it is the 1972, era then here is a short list, including those that are already available:
F-4 USAF/USN/USMC, F-105G (Weasel/2 seater), BUFF, F-111A, A-6, A-7 (Navy/USAF), KC-135.
Some of the other planes (RF-101, F-100D, A-4*, F-8*, F-102, F-104, F-105D) were either removed from the theatre or were used in limited numbers(*). Now if you can just figure out how to put chaff inside of the airbrakes....

[ccc]

ya, thanx your input.
i've done most of them, in rough LOD2-3 level, with no moving parts.

BTW, JimG, whats the list of earlier vnam warbird?
and, support a/c? b57? a26? OV-10, U-1?

[Com_gp]

Hey, where can i find a place to download multigen (if its free), i dont find it anywhere, lately ive been doing some 3d models with Blender and i would like to do some for falcon, whenever 3d hacking is done, this is the phantom ive done.



ComGP

[Snake Man]

quote:Originally posted by Com_gp:
Hey, where can i find a place to download multigen (if its free)

Multigen is commercial software, costs like $40,000 I been told. my friend has v2.2.1 of it and there is no BSP Plane options included. He dont know about the later versions if those have the option available.

Simply, v2.2.1 at least wont do any good for Falcon 4 3d models.

PMC TFW
Snake Man

[Com_gp]

Then we will have to wait for julian 3d hacking program to come in, dont we?
I hope he do it soon.
thanks snake_man, now i dont have to worry about looking for multigen on the net
ComGP

[ccc]

Com_gp,
great modeling!
I've built a rough one myself.
ya, we are waiting breakthroughs.

BTW, i dont know the exact layout of 3d models in f4...hollow shape? seperate parts?
transparency? moving parts? to many things to study..

[Com_gp]

Hey, ccc, maybe with a little of luck we have all of that (moving parts, transparency,...) for the summer,
other thing, does anyone know where can i find good sat pics of vietnam, ive been looking in four diferent satpics webpages (nasa, space imaging, geography network and earth from space), i have just found a couple of good ones, this is because i was trying to do some vietnam tiles (just for fun, I hope snake man dont get mad about this ) and all ive done by now are the coast tiles, hey, the vnam beta 4 is pretty good, i love that theatre, the only problem i have, as many people, is that the the front gear or something of the f4phantom is broken whenever i take off, i dont know if this is a problem of the theatre because i experienced that in the korea theatre also.

[This message has been edited by Com_gp (edited February 17, 2001).]

[Snake Man]

quote:Originally posted by Com_gp:
(just for fun, I hope snake man dont get mad about this )

I wont. If you get very nice tiles maybe we will add them to the theater later.

quote:the only problem i have, as many people, is that the the front gear or something of the f4phantom is broken whenever i take off,

Its the RPG thing, you need to use 4.1 I think.

PMC TFW
Snake Man

[Com_gp]

Hey, i will try to use the 4.1 to solve that problem, still havent downloaded it, i post a shoot of the coast, do you know any good source of photos (they dont have to be satellite photos) just to see how vietnam looks exactly.



ComGP

[ccc]

ComGp: Well, WONDERFUL!!!

PS: better start a new thread for tiles, seems somewhat OT

[Snake Man]

Yes please, lets keep this for 3d model discussion.

Feel free to start tiles msg-area if you want

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Snake Man