Tacan in new terrains

[Red Dog]

Hi all,

I wonder if TACAN channels are going to be implemented in the different new theatres? (ODS - Vietnam - Iceland,...)
If yes, is somebody working on it already?
because I would like to help doing just that. Fact is I don't know how to do it but I am sure I'll find out, it's only a matter of finding my way around.

Any info, any hint, anybody working on it?
Thanks

Have a Bandit day
Red Dog

[Snake Man]

Yes its our goal to add new TACAN and voices to Vietnam and ODS (I believe Widowmaker has similiar plans for Iceland, dunno).

Here is Schumi's help tips for TACAN channels:


You need to change the stations.dat in Simdata.zip (the file is in a
subdirectory !).

first value is the ID (or ID2, don't remember) of the airbase objective.
Next is the TACAN channel number. The X is the band (X and Y are only
cosmetic though...), and the last one is an index number into the eval 87.

Eval ID's:

0-45 = Approach, 46-91 = Tower

(i.e. index 0 = "Kunsan approach", index 46 = "Kunsan Tower").

In the stations.dat you only specify the "Approach" indexes.

The "Tower" indexes are just calculated by adding 46 to the approach
index value.
This means that you have some "sets" of usable indexes:

0-45
92-137
184-229

and so on.

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There, its very cryptic to me at the moment but eventually I need to learn to create new TACAN channels for the theaters

PMC TFW
Snake Man

[Cooler69]

Hi guys,

Just posting this here for easy reference later.

Eval: 087 - eAPPROACH
Sample commIDs: 36, 38, 39
Korea: Indices 0 - 28: Approach (frags 2463 -
(94 entries)
Tacan Stations are numbered 1 - 126 and are grouped in two sets X and Y band.
Band can only be type X or Y
Channel must be between 1 - 126 inclusive
Dynamically assigned Tanker/Carrier list - all band Y, channels 126 - 70

Channel minimum changed to 26 via F4Patch - i.e. 0-25 dynamic (Y band - Tankers/Carriers), 26-126 fixed (X band - Airbases/Airstrips)

[Cooler69]

Hi all theater makers,

In order to incorporate TACAN and ATC for each theater, I need the objective ID for each airbase/airstrip.

Please download Red Dog's latest "airbase list.xls" from F4SPDev (Files->Realism Department).

Fill in the ObjectiveID for each airbase for your theater and e-mail it to me at:

colin.morrow1@btopenworld.com

Theaters currently in the spreadsheet requiring info are:
Iceland, ODS, Vietnam, Nevada

(Korea, Balkans and Taiwan (G2i) are also in the spreadsheet, but don't worry about them).

Thanks,

Colin

[Widowmaker]

ok wildo
forgot in all thew hassle
I should have done this over a week ago..

Widmak

[Cooler69]

Just to clarify, the ID I need can be found as follows.

Open save0.cam with Tacedit v2.0. Go to Object list. Sort by Type and look for type Airbase and Airstrip. The ID I need is named ID2. This is the link from the campaign objectives to the stations.dat file for TACAN and ATC.

Colin

[Cooler69]

OK guys - I have Korea, Balkans and Iceland info. Who should I hassle for ODS, Vietnam and Nevada?

Colin

[Widowmaker]

Vietnam
and ODS are done by Snakeman if I'm correct..

Nevada is done by ComGP
Com is rather busy
I'll try to get his Cam files and wch file
(think I got it already somewere)
and pass the info through to you..

Widmak

[Cooler69]

Thanks Widowmaker. I'll hassle Snake for the others.

[Snake Man]

Like I stated earlier. ODS 128 map has the default village util generated csv file imports, while the released ODS BETA v0.1 has modified airbase datas to go with the terrain.

Now, I'm going to import the BETA v0.1 objectives into the ODS 128 theater. To make this happen I need to make somesort of CSV cutter to wipe out the "64 segment objectives area" from the ODS 128 csv file.

If anyone have any ideas of how to do this better, please let me know.

What I'm trying to say, the Airbase ID's most like will change. I can provide you either one of the id's right now... but its just more work for you guys if those will change after the csv crap is sorted out.

PMC TFW
Snake Man

[Cooler69]

OK, send me the details when complete.

[Snake Man]

Operation Desert Storm upcoming BETA v0.2 final Airbase ID2 list.


Kuwait:
KUWAIT INTL - 1164
AHMED AL JABER AIR BASE - 1165
Ali Al Salem Airbase - 1480


Saudi Arabia:
RAS MISHAB - 1194
RAS SAFANIYA - 1195
TANAJIB - 1197
HAFR AL BATIN - 1193
AL WARIAH SE HWY LDG STRIP - 1198
KING KHALID MILITARY CITY - 1196
ABU ALI - 5754
JUBAIL - 5755
KING ABDUL AZIZ NAVAL BASE - 5756
RAS TANURA - 5757
KING FAHD INTL - 5758
DHAHRAN INTL - 5760
UGTAH HIGHWAY STRIP - 5772
ABQAIQ - 5763
AL HASA - 5764
AL AHSA - 5765
AL UDAYLIYAH - 5768
KHURAIS - 5769
PETROLINE 3 - 5767
AL KHARJ EAST - 5782
AL KHARJ - 5781
RIYADH SOUTH - 5776
RIYADH MIL - 5774
KING KHALID INTL - 5770
KING ABDUL AZIZ MIL ACADEMY - 5771
JABAL AL FAHDAU - 5778
THUMAMAH - 5766
KP 718 - 5773
PETROLINE 6 - 5775
PETROLINE 10 - 5780
MADINAH INTL - 5777
YENBO - 5779
RABIGH - 5783
GASSIM - 5759
HAIL - 1199
WEJH - 5761
RAFHA - 1192
UWAYQILAH - 1190
AL JOUF - 1191
QALIBAH HIGHWAY STRIP - 5749
TABUK - 5745
AL BIR HIGHWAY STRIP - 5744
ARAR - 1189
TURAIF - 1188
GURIAT - 5739


Those are the Coalition bases. I'll get Iraqi bases next.

PMC TFW
Snake Man

[Snake Man]

Ok gosh well here are all of them in one big pile of names and ID's

PARSSABAD, 2617
TABRIZ, 2618
SARAB, 2619
UROMIYEH, 2620
MARAGHEH HIGHWAY STRIP, 2621,
RASHT, 2622,
RAMSAR, 2623,
NOSHAHR, 2624,
BISHEH KOLA, 2625,
DASHTE NAZ, 2626,
GHAZVIN, 2627,
KARAJ, 2628,
TEHRAN WEST, 2629,
DOSHAN TAPPEH, 2630,
MEHRABAD INTL, 2631,
GHALE MORGHI, 2632,
SEMNAN, 2633,
SEMNAN NEW, 2634,
MANZARIYEH, 2638,
NAIN MILITARY, 2644,
ESFAHAN INTL, 2645,
BADR AFB, 2646,
ESFAHAN EAST, 2647,
OMIDIYEH, 2652,
AGHA JARI, 2653,
BEHBEHAN NORTHWEST, 2654,
GACH SARAN, 2656,
GORREH, 2657,
BAHREGAN, 2658,
ZARGAN, 2659,
SHIRAZ INTL, 2660,
DARRAHI, 2661,
KHARK ISLAND, 2662,
SARVESTAN, 2663,
BUSHEHR, 2664,
DO LENGEH, 2665,
LAMERD, 2666,
MAHANAIM I BEN YAAKOV, 5345,
U MICHAELI, 5346,
RAMAT DAVID, 5347,
MEGIDDO, 5348,
EYN SHEMER, 5349,
SDE DOV, 5350,
BEN GURION, 5351,
PALMAHIM AB, 5352,
TEL NOV, 5353,
HATZOR, 5354,
I BAR YEHUDA, 5355,
TEYMAN, 5356,
HATSERIM NORTHWEST, 5357,
HATSERIM, 5358,
NEVATIM AB, 5359,
NIZZANA WEST, 5360,
RAMON, 5361,
EN YAHAV, 5362,
OVDA, 5363,
J HOZMAN, 5364,
H 4, 5497,
KING HUSSEIN, 5499,
PRINCE HASAN, 5500,
AZRAQ HIGHWAY STRIP, 5501,
KING ABDULLAH BEN, 5502,
SHAHEED MWAFFAQ, 5503,
HIGHWAY H HIGHWAY STRIP, 5504,
QUEEN ALIA INTL, 5505,
AL GHADAF HIGHWAY STRIP, 5506,
AL QATRANAH HIGHWAY STRIP, 5507,
KING FAISAL, 5508,
AL QUWAYRAH HWY STRIP, 5509,
AQABA INTL, 5510,
KLEIAT, 5644,
WUJAH AL HAJAR, 5645,
RIYAQ, 5646,
GURIAT, 5739,
AL BIR HIGHWAY STRIP, 5744,
TABUK, 5745,
QALIBAH HIGHWAY STRIP, 5749,
HAIL, 5753,
ABU ALI, 5754,
JUBAIL, 5755,
KING ABDUL AZIZ NAVAL BASE, 5756,
RAS TANURA, 5757,
KING FAHD INTL, 5758,
GASSIM, 5759,
DHAHRAN INTL, 5760,
WEJH, 5761,
HAFAR AL ATK, 5762,
ABQAIQ, 5763,
AL HASA, 5764,
AL AHSA, 5765,
THUMAMAH, 5766,
PETROLINE 3, 5767,
AL UDAYLIYAH, 5768,
KHURAIS, 5769, 1772,
KING KHALID INTL, 5770,
KING ABDUL AZIZ MIL ACADEMY, 5771,
UGTAH HIGHWAY STRIP, 5772,
KP 718, 5773,
RIYADH MIL, 5774,
PETROLINE 6, 5775,
RIYADH SOUTH, 5776,
MADINAH INTL, 5777,
JABAL AL FAHDAU, 5778,
YENBO, 5779,
PETROLINE 10, 5780,
AL KHARJ, 5781,
AL KHARJ EAST, 5782,
RABIGH, 5783,
KAMISHLY, 6594,
MINAKH, 6595,
RASIN EL ABOUD, 6596,
ALEPPO INTL, 6597,
JIRAH, 6598,
ABU AD DUHUR, 6600,
LATAKIA, 6601,
HAMAH, 6603,
AL QUSAYR, 6604,
PALMYRA, 6605,
TIYAS, 6606,
SHAYRAT, 6607,
AN NASIRIYAH, 6608,
SAYQAL, 6609,
DUMAYR, 6610,
MEZZE, 6611,
DAMASCUS INTL, 6612,
MARJ RUHAYYIL, 6613,
KHALKHALAH, 6614,
AS SUWAYDA WEST, 6615,
ESENBOGA, 6977,
HINS, 6978,
MURTED, 6979,
ERZURUM, 6980,
ETIMESGUT, 6981,
GUVERCINLIK, 6982,
SIVAS, 6983,
Temelli, 6984,
ERZINCAN, 6985,
SIVRIHISAR, 6986
MUS WEST, 6987,
ERKILET, 6988,
MUS, 6989,
ELAZIG, 6990,
TATVAN, 6991,
BORANKOY, 6992,
VAN, 6993,
ERHAC, 6994,
MALATYA, 6995,
DIYARBAKIR NORTHWEST, 6996,
KONYA, 6997,
BATMAN, 6998,
DIYARBAKIR, 6999,
KONYA WEST, 7000,
YUKSEKOVA HWY STRIP, 7001,
SANLIURFA, 7002,
INCIRLIK AB, 7003,
SAKIRPASA, 7004,
GAZIANTEP, 7005,
PORT SAID, 7006,
EL ARISH, 7007,
EL GORA, 7008,
BALUZA, 7009,
BIR JIFJAFAH, 7010,
KIBRIT, 7011,
BIR HASANAH, 7012,
RAS SUDR, 7013,
RAS EL NAKAB, 7014,
ABU RUDEIS, 7015,
ST CATHERINE, 7016,
EL TOR, 7017,
RAS SHUKHAYR NEW, 7018,
RAS NASRANI, 7019,
RAS JIMSAH NEW, 7020,
HURGHADA, 7021,
WADI ABU SHIHAT, 7022,
BIR ABU RAHAL, 7023,
DARAW, 7024,
RAS BANAS, 7025,
SANGACHALY, 7259,
MOLLAKEND, 7260,
AGDZHABEDI, 7261,
KAZI MAGOMED, 7262,
NoName, 7263,
DOKSHIN, 7264,
NoName, 7265,
STEPANARKET, 7266,
PIRSAGAT, 7267,
IMISHLY EAST, 7268,
MUGANLY, 7269,
IMISHLY, 7270,
KARACHALA, 7271,
ZHDANOVSK, 7272,
ZHDANOVSK EAST, 7273,
BUNYADLY, 7274,
KHALADZH, 7275,
MOSHKARA, 7276,
SALYANY, 7277,
NoName, 7278,
FIZULI EAST, 7279,
SALYANY SOUTHWEST, 7280,
NARIMANOVKA SOUTHWEST, 7281,
ABONDONED PUSHKINO EAST, 7282,
SARVAN, 7283,
NARIMANOVKA SOUTH, 7284,
MURAV YEVKO, 7285,
ASHAGY SURRA, 7286,
PUSHKINO, 7287,
TAZAKEND NORTH, 7288,
NoName, 7289,
PUSHKINO SOUTH, 7290,
PUSHKINO SOUTHWEST, 7291,
PRISHIB, 7292,
NARIMANOVKA SOUTH, 7293,
KYZYLAGADZH, 7294,
LENKORAN, 7295,
NoName, 7296,
NoName, 7297,
NoName, 7298,
NoName, 7299,
NoName, 7300,
NoName, 7301,
NoName, 7302,
SANANDAJ, 4,
SHAHROKHI HIGHWAY STRIP, 5,
HAMADAN MIL, 6,
HAMADAN, 7,
BAKHTARAN, 8,
SHAHABAD HIGHWAY STRIP, 9,
ILAM, 10,
KHORRAM ABBAD, 11,
DEZFUL, 12,
DEZFUL HIGHWAY STRIP, 13,
MASJED SOLEIMAN, 14,
AHWAZ, 15,
BANDAR MASHUR, 16,
BASHUR, 633,
BASHIQAH, 634,
MOSUL, 635,
TALL AFAR, 636,
ERBIL NORTHWEST, 637,
SAHL SINJAR, 638,
QAYYARAH WEST, 639,
QAYYARAH SOUTH, 640,
K 1, 641,
KIRKUK, 642,
TAL ASHTAH NEW, 643,
AL FATHAH, 644,
TUZ KHURMATU, 645,
K 2, 646,
AL SAHRA, 647,
TIKRIT EAST, 648,
TIKRIT SOUTH, 649,
SALUM, 650,
SAMARRA EAST, 651,
BALAD SOUTHEAST, 652,
SUBAKHU, 653,
H1 NEW, 654,
BAQUBAH, 655,
AL ASAD, 656,
SHAB AL HIRI, 657,
ASIM AL MUHAMMAD, 658,
AL TAJI, 659,
AL MUHAMMADI, 660,
HABBANIYAH, 661,
H 2, 662,
AL TAQADDUM, 663,
BAGHDAD MUTHENNA, 664,
QASR TALL MIHL, 665,
RASHEED, 666,
SADDAM INTL, 667,
H 3 NORTHWEST, 668,
AL ISKANDARIYAH NEW, 669,
SHAYKA MAZHAR, 670,
H 3, 671,
H 3 HIGHWAY STRIP, 672,
H 3 SOUTHWEST, 673,
An Numaniyah, 674,
UBAYDAH BIN AL JARRAH, 675,
MUDAYSIS, 676,
SHAYKH HANTUSH HWY STRIP, 677,
KUT AL HAYY EAST, 678,
NEJEF NEW, 679,
RADIF AL KHAFI HWY STRIP, 680,
QALAT SIKAR, 681,
AMARA NEW, 682,
QALAT SALIH, 683,
WADI AL KHIRR NEW, 684,
TALLIL, 685,
GHALAYSAN NEW, 686,
AS SALMAN NORTH, 687,
BASRAH MAQAL, 688,
BASRAH INTL, 689,
JALIBAH SOUTHEAST, 690,
SHAIBAH, 691,
AR RUMAYLAH SOUTHWEST, 692,
AL MUFRASH, 693,
SAFWAN, 694,
UMM QASR, 695,
WADI EL MURBAH HWY STRIP, 1162,
RUWAYSHID, 1163,
KUWAIT INTL, 1164,
AHMED AL JABER AIR BASE, 1165,
TURAIF, 1188,
ARAR, 1189,
UWAYQILAH, 1190,
AL JOUF, 1191,
RAFHA, 1192,
HAFR AL BATIN, 1193,
RAS MISHAB, 1194,
RAS SAFANIYA, 1195,
KING KHALID MILITARY CITY, 1196,
TANAJIB, 1197,
AL WARIAH SE HWY LDG STRIP, 1198,
HAIL, 1199,
TABQA, 1269,
DEIR ZZOR, 1270,
NoName, 1388,
0, 1426,
0, 1440,
Ali Al Salem Airbase, 1480,

The Kuwait and Saudi bases are also listed in that big list. But that is now ALL ODS airbases in the theater.

PMC TFW
Snake Man

[ccc]

WOW! What a looong list!
cant believe there are so many airport in desert..
I cant imagine how many ID will be in a 128 Europe theater(if exist)!!

[T_Rex]

Snakeman-

You're gonna kill me... ... but I think I know Red Dog's next question.

How about the Lat/Long of each of the airbases? If you have it, you can send it via email to either me or Red Dog. I think he's thinking of a packet like we did for the Balkans with all the GPS coords for all the airbases. If you don't have it, that's ok - we'll probably get them straight straight out of the game (takes awhile, but it works).

Later,
T

[Snake Man]

quote:Originally posted by Snake Man:

HAIL, 5753,
KHURAIS, 5769, 1772,

Sorry my bad, here is the correction:
HAIL - 1199
KHURAIS - 5769

There was one dupe entry for hail and the khurais just had too much csv data

PMC TFW
Snake Man

[Snake Man]

quote:Originally posted by T_Rex:
How about the Lat/Long of each of the airbases?

Can be done with TacEdit.

PMC TFW
Snake Man

[T_Rex]

quote:Originally posted by Snake Man:
Can be done with TacEdit.

PMC TFW
Snake Man

Hmmm...did not know that! I'll shake the dust off my tacedit and see if I can find it!

[Red Dog]

Hi T-Rex,
Don't start worrying now about the coord data. I have real world coord for most of them.
We shall update the coords according to TAcedit in the next build of the checklists.

Snakesman,
I made some research about the airbases really used during Desert Storm? and we might have a problem with the airbase lists because most of them were farter south.
Anyway, I'll send you the spreadsheet and I'll come with some propositions about Airbase/ Airstrip status for your review.

The station ID structure is progressing along nicely

Red Dog

[Snake Man]

quote:Originally posted by Red Dog:
I made some research about the airbases really used during Desert Storm?

Those airbases/airports are taken directly from the DCW data.

quote:and we might have a problem with the airbase lists because most of them were farter south.

Well yes, but I think the 128 theater must be large enough for us. What bases are left out, we just have to live without them.

PMC TFW
Snake Man

[Red Dog]

Snake Man,
I just realized that the airbase list I had for ODS was not complete at all.
I updated it starting with the Saudi Arabia Airbases.
Disregard my previous remark concerning missing important airbases, it's outdated.

Could you tell me around what latitude the Saudi Arabia is not implemented? Where did you traced the line?

Also, On that very long list, I see there are airbases in Iran, Iraq, Israel, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia

Could you give a complete list of the implemented countries?

I started working on the list you provided but a list by country would be helpfull

When my work is over , you'll have a lot of relevant data for all those bases

Red Dog

[Red Dog]

Okay, I found all major airport and countries:
Iran - Iraq - Azerbaijan - Turkey - Lebanon - Israel - Jordan - Egypt - Syria - Saudi arabia - Kuwait.

Gosh, what a list

I am having obvious problem with the following ones, and I just whish you delete them, because there are enough airbases

HIGHWAY H HIGHWAY STRIP, 5504,
JIRAH, 6598,
NoName, 7263,
NoName, 7265,
NoName, 7278,
NoName, 7289,
NoName, 7296,
NoName, 7297,
NoName, 7298,
NoName, 7299,
NoName, 7300,
NoName, 7301,
NoName, 7302,
NoName, 1388,
0, 1426,
0, 1440,

Are all that list only for ODS or does it also include the ME terrain

Cheers
Red Dog

[Snake Man]

quote:Originally posted by Red Dog:
Gosh, what a list

Its a big theater.

quote:I am having obvious problem with the following ones, and I just whish you delete them, because there are enough airbases

I haven't yet checked which bases those are, but one could think that these are not important as they don't even have names on them.

It might be good idea to remove them yes.

quote:Are all that list only for ODS or does it also include the ME terrain

Its the same thing. Actually I'm not sure if T-Bones F4ME goes one bit further to the east than ODS and therefore might have few bases in Iran that ODS doesn't include. But in a nutshell, F4ME is included in ODS.

PMC TFW
Snake Man