PMC Undefined Farms 20km Development

[Snake Man]

PMC Undefined Farms 20km Fictional 20.4km x 20.4km Farming Simulator 22 terrain, american style.

Visit PMC Undefined Farms 20km homepage. See all PMC FS22 Terrains.

2022-06-16T01:34:00Z

Yesterday after installing new GIMP v2.10.32 went and painted farmland image so farm yards have their own unique colors. Then created field definitions with single shape to all the fields, this came to 1880 total fields.

Plan was to test it in-game but didn't have the time.

[ARG_Afb]

Nice to hear that you are still developing the terrain! Good luck testing the map, hope everything goes well!

[Snake Man]

PMC Undefined Farms 20km v0.1.4 update is ready for testing.

This is UNTESTED developer version! Do not, I say again, DO NOT install this and use it for your existing savegames because there could be issues, at least backup your savegame to a safe place along with the official release. I recommend making a brand new mod directory for this testing version and use a new savegame to test it out.

This testing version is publicly available, the first version is still the "main stable" v0.1.3 to download in official homepage.

Download: PMC_Undefined_Farms_20km_v0.1.4.7z 67.5mb.

Changelog:

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- over 1800 field definitions added, 1 hectare size
- farmland image edited for individual small farm yard land lots

Edit: 2022-06-17T06:12:00Z penalty_box was testing v0.1.4 in his twitch live stream and there I saw that apparently all the new fields are GRASS, well that is a bug, it was not my intention to have 1800 new grass fields.

I'm going to fix those grass fields and hopefully also remove the AI planting on the new field definitions. Dunno when though, hopefully soon.

Please test it and send feedback.

[ARG_Afb]

Will test the terrain and tell ya how it goes!

[Snake Man]

PMC Undefined Farms 20km v0.1.5 update is ready for testing. See above post for basic info.

Download: PMC_Undefined_Farms_20km_v0.1.5.7z 67.5mb.

Changelog:

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- undefined farms 20km field definition corner pieces removed

I'm not even sure if FS22 loads this without giving errors about missing field definition corner pieces.

Please test it and send feedback.

[Snake Man]

2022-06-26T10:08:00Z

Update for dev diary PMC Undefined Farms 20km, no new release yet but dev diary is now up to date.

Still waiting for that feedback.

[Snake Man]

Testing v0.1.4 and v0.1.5 download links removed, they are broken piece of shit useless garbage, getting over 1800 multi line errors in the log. Back to the drawing board, bitch. This is what you get when editing without testing it first (my editing computer doesn't run win10).

If you already downloaded either of these versions, no need to send feedback, I'm going to remake the fields at least and there was some error in the farmland image as well.

I have no intentions editing this in the near future so it might take a while.

[Snake Man]

From no intentions to "it bothered me so much I could not let it go..." heh. Today went and tested new field definitions removed v0.1.6 in actual fs22 to see how it runs, and it does run without errors. Odd as I thought farmland image gave some error, guess not then.

Farmland image now works as designed, farm yards are extremely tight individual land lots, they are super cheap too the smallest one cost 25k which is nothing. I did not edit the overall farmland image so actual fields in most parts have bad land lot assignments. Yeah this is a nuisance, but doesn't prevent you from playing, there is still plenty enough tight lands for fields available. I'll most likely have to completely start from empty image with farmland in order to properly fix the fields, you just cant edit it to fix the issues now. So don't hold your breath when that might happen.

Updated dev diary PMC Undefined Farms 20km and uploaded new testing version.

PMC_Undefined_Farms_20km_v0.1.6.7z - 67.5mb.

[Snake Man]

Dev Diary PMC Undefined Farms 20km has been updated with typo fixes and few links, if you already read this page recently no need to do it again as the changes were so minor.

[Snake Man]

Updated dev diary PMC Undefined Farms 20km and uploaded v0.1.8 testing version.

Download testing release PMC_Undefined_Farms_20km_v0.1.8.7z - 57.7mb.

Play, test and send feedback how things are working.

[ARG_Afb]

Good! Gonna test it!

[ARG_Afb]

looking good!
https://imgur.com/a/il5FHF1

[Snake Man]

Thanks for testing and sending feedback. Check dev diary what I wrote about stuff and example screenshots, but after seeing it in-game what do you think about the minimap (9) field number clutter?

[penaltyboxgaming]

going to be testing it on stream with no mods othe than better contracts and vca starts at 815 eastern

[Snake Man]

After penalty_box experienced failed oats harvest contract on F471 which was that copy-pasted very small patch, I believe 0.91ha, it was time for me to test it out as well. Here is what happened.

Took contract F592 harvest wheat, deliver to PMC Sell 05. It was closest field to the dealership. F592 is 0.91ha. Contract said need to deliver 12.2k liters. Combine grain tank got full 8.5k liters, then unloaded into tractor trailer. Finished harvesting wheat, combine had 2.2k liters so with grain trailer 8.5k + 2.2k combine == 10.7k, so it falls short of 12.2k liters required amount.

Not sure why that happens, maybe its the puny less than hectare field size, dunno.

Those small copy-pasted 0.91ha fields are temporary placeholders, plan is to increase their size to at least full size "single shape" field definitions, but there are one thousand eight hundred (1800) fields where each requires several mouse clicks to do, I cannot even imagine how many hours it would take to fix all those fields, I can do some for sure no problemos, but absolutely no promises to do a large amount of them.

[Snake Man]

Edited some field definitions today, all edits were done the dealership neighborhood for short traveling distance. I added two new grass fields too which are medium size. Several of the 0.91ha fields in the N and E areas were increased in size to the regular single shape corner piece standard, those fields are decent size now (don't know hectare count though).

I'm going to try one or two of those fields today to see if harvest contracts work on them, if there is no issue harvesting then most likely FS22 has some issue with tiny fields and harvest contracts.

Download new testing version PMC_Undefined_Farms_20km_v0.1.9.7z - 57.5mb.

[Snake Man]

PMC Undefined Farms 20km v0.1.9 harvest contract test.

2022-12-13T23:05:00Z todays test is to see if v0.1.9 field definition corner piece edits for few fields near the dealership fixed harvest contracts on tiny fields. Now these edited fields are larger.

2022-12-13T23:14:00Z Started a new career savegame, set everything up and of course F591 and F592 these two new larger fields had no harvest ready crops, F591 had planted cotton haha. So guess I'm time accelerating.

Looks like F321 is growing soybeans, this field is N-NW from the dealership and medium size, this could be my testing field if I'm so lucky to get an harvest contract for it when the time comes. Overall I have to say this testing is quite difficult now because the choices AI made with crops.

2022-12-13T23:30:00Z First I time accelerated 6000 speed, then continued with regular giants farmhouse 5000 speed, however the environment felt like its frozen in time, for example fields were all withered, in july there was SNOW on the ground and huge number of cultivating contracts were available. I did have better contracts lazy AI on for few of contract types, so dunno if that caused AI be just that, lazy.

While typing that above paragraph in-game jul 0954hrs snow melted from the ground and few fields changed stage to cultivated, so guess there is now something going on in the background, but for this year of course soybeans etc planting season is over already.

I'm speculating that 6000 speed time acceleration is too fast for 1888 fields to be calculated, same as all production stuff gets frozen with that speed as well, the highest safe time acceleration speed in my PMC Super Six 6km production savegame was 5000.

In-game oct 0923hrs slowly one by one fields get cultivated by the AI.

2022-12-13T23:40:00Z Decided to delete this savegame and start a new one, lets make it clean no 6000 time acceleration anymore and also with new savegame I might get good crops to those target fields.

On new savegame we got sorghum on F591 but it was still growing. In-game sep 0935hrs sorghum was harvest ready and I started to refresh contracts with dollar signs in my eyes.

Hammered refresh but unfortunately F591 sorghum harvest did not materialize, oh well time accelerating to the next day, hopefully then. But uh oh, my bad, sorghum harvest season ended september

2022-12-13T23:53:00Z Restarted savegame again but nothing but cotton and other crap crops

Did 3 more restarts and only got crap crops

2022-12-14T00:02:00Z With 4th restart got F321 as canola with contract to harvest it. However this is one of the bigger fields, 10ha, its nothing crazy but yeah I was kind of wanting to see that F591 or F592 right next to the dealership and they are possibly 5ha or something like that.

Decided to continue hammering those restarts, I wanna see good crop harvest contract on F591/F592

2022-12-14T00:08:00Z Fucking finally good crops harvest ready on those fields, and F591 wheat harvest contract, the field is 3.77ha size. Awesome, lets get this done.

Need to deliver (to go): 49.2k liters, yikes.

2022-12-14T00:14:00Z Started harvesting, GPS.

Hmm looks like I just started GPS without checking width, it now looks REALLY wide but still just barely cuts all the crop, hmm ok. Header was 3020 terraflex 25ft and GPS was configured to 9.14m width.

2022-12-14T00:21:00Z Combine grain tank 96% at end of a row, going to grab tractor + grain trailer.

2022-12-14T00:23:00Z Combine unloaded and harvesting continues.

2022-12-14T00:29:00Z Combine full, unloading.

2022-12-14T00:36:00Z Combine full, unloading, and while that is going on I'm going to unload myself in the head

2022-12-14T00:46:00Z Combine full, unloading.

Grain trailer is now full, combine was left with 4.6k liters in the tank. Continuing harvesting.

2022-12-14T00:50:00Z Combine full, driving tractor and grain cart to selling point.

2022-12-14T00:52:00Z Arrived at the selling point, contract HUD shows 80% complete, grain trailer has 37.5k liters, contract menu shows worked field 99.2%.

Dumped the trailer, contract said 74% transported and contract progress is now 95% with 11.7k liters to go. Okay back to the field to pick up the rest.

2022-12-14T00:56:00Z Combine unloaded, continuing the last half pass.

2022-12-14T00:57:00Z Harvest complete and last grain unloaded into grain trailer which now has 10.9k liters which is not enough... but going to drive to the selling point anyways.

2022-12-14T01:00:00Z Dumped grain to selling point, contract status now 100% got 366 profit from the remaining crop.

Wow did not see that coming, contract just BARELY managed to finish with the grain I got from the field. Hmm hmm. This is not good in overall, this is 3.7ha field and my speculation was that too small field doesn't work properly but apparently that is not the case, 3.7ha should be plenty of big elmcreek wise.

Hmm dunno whats going on.

Refreshed tons of new harvest contracts, browsed through all of them and in average you could say that "can keep" liters in these 0.91ha fields is about 500-700 liters which is ridiculously small amount, but then again so is the hectare size, so yeah dunno.

2022-12-14T08:31:00Z Edit

2022-12-14T08:08:00Z Harvest contract wont complete issue kept nagging me, so decided to try with my current mod-set on elmcreek to see if that works. A reference point so to speak.

Started farm-manager game-mode on elmcreek, better contracts v1.2.6 was loaded. Refreshed contracts, got one for F46 which had "can keep" of 100 liters, wow one hundred whole liters, really? Haha.

Hmm that number looks even worse than PMC Undefined Farms 20km v0.1.9 numbers, let me take that contract and see what happens. Okay so F46 harvest contract for oat, field size 0.29ha whoah, must deliver 2k liters. F46 is the new farmer game-mode owned field.

2022-12-14T08:16:00Z Started harvesting F46.

2022-12-14T08:21:00Z Finished harvesting F46, combine grain tank got 2137 liters of oats, so I don't even need to deliver this as I can already tell that you can complete this contract with whopping 137 extra liters I can keep.

2022-12-14T08:23:00Z Aaand then I got bored, had no desire to go try out some other harvest contracts, what I saw earlier in PMC Undefined Farms 20km v0.1.9 and now here, it suggests pretty much that these harvest contracts "can keep" numbers have been GREATLY reduced by giants patch, not sure which one.

Here is quote from unreleased Start From Zero in undefined farms:

2022-05-08T02:58:47Z Accepted harvesting contract F30, delivery to PMC Sell 08, borrowed vehicles.
2022-05-08T05:26:33Z Finished harvesting sunflowers contract F30.
2022-05-08T05:46:48Z Semi-truck final delivery, contract obviously got completed, but I am surprised why it was this close, only couple thousand liters to go after the contract finished.
Collected harvest contract reward for F30, got 22.5k.

Cant remember how big field F30 was, but it was one of those medium if not giants wise big fields. So that was may 2022 and only couple of thousand liters of "can keep", so dunno what game engine patch was released in may.

Anyways.

[Snake Man]

Updated Dev Diary PMC Undefined Farms 20km page.

Also yesterday edited the above forum post with additional info.

[penaltyboxgaming]

live testing with the new update starts in about 25 mins

[Snake Man]

More field definition corner piece edits, larger fields, no other changes.

Updated Dev Diary PMC Undefined Farms 20km page.

Download new testing version PMC_Undefined_Farms_20km_v0.2.7z - 57.5mb.

[Snake Man]

2022-12-15T23:29:00Z second update for today (UTC)

Utility pole wires added, require mods dependency check for modDesc.xml, no other changes.

Updated Dev Diary PMC Undefined Farms 20km page.

Download new testing version PMC_Undefined_Farms_20km_v0.2.2.7z - 67.6mb.

[ARG_Afb]

snake, imma tell it on a simple way, your maps are just state of art with simplicity.
some pics: https://imgur.com/a/1TvVhnz

[Snake Man]

Hmm are those screenshots from in-game landscaping tool work?

[ARG_Afb]

Yes, started a farm in the hill

[penaltyboxgaming]

i cannot get any contracts on the latest round of fields and i even tried making all the fields all one crop

[Snake Man]

Used better contracts v1.2.6.2 which gave me contracts for example on fields: 593, 523, 292, 544, 554, 293, 466, 600, 279, 556, 493 to mention few. These are the new fields in last few days, after the big 1888 and the corner piece enlarge updates.

Works just fine here.

[Snake Man]

New topic created for Harvest contracts not enough grain to complete the contract which explains the issue and offers a fix.

[Snake Man]

Got some edits in day before yesterday. Updated Dev Diary PMC Undefined Farms 20km page.

Download new testing version PMC_Undefined_Farms_20km_v0.2.4.7z - 57.7mb.

BTW don't ask me what I did to make it ten megs smaller, no idea but I'll take it

[Snake Man]

Updated Dev Diary PMC Undefined Farms 20km with some field definition notes.

[Snake Man]

PMC Undefined Farms 20km farm yard catalog

2023-02-13T23:59:00Z

First is field number and heading directions, then size, elevation description and placeable objects.

F232 NE, medium, bad elevations, empty.

F198 NW, medium, bad elevations, water tank, meridian liquid and solid fertilizer tanks, diesel fuel tank, two meridian flat bottom bin 3608s and 3609s.

F079 S, big, bad elevations, empty.

F163 E, big, elevations are OK, four meridian liquid and solid fertilizer tanks, 2 * four meridian flat bottom bin 360x's, diesel fuel tank, nuero 16m liter drive-thru grain bin silo, one tpf vehicle shed, water tank.

F128 NE, big, bad elevations, water tank, four meridian liquid and solid fertilizer tanks, nuero 16m drive-thru grain bin silo, 2 * five meridian flat bottom bin 360x's, diesel fuel tank.

F295 E, big, bad elevations, four meridian solid fertilizer tanks, water tank, 2 * four meridian flat bottom bin 360x's, nuero 16m drive-thru grain bin silo, two tpf vehicle sheds, diesel fuel tank.

F279 W, huge, bad elevations, three meridian liquid and solid fertilizer tanks, four meridian flat bottom bin 360x's, diesel fuel tank.

F690 E, medium, bad elevations, water tank, diesel fuel tank, 2 * two meridian flat bottom bin 360x's, two meridian liquid and solid fertilizer tanks.

F645 S, medium, bad elevations, diesel fuel tank, four meridian liquid and solid fertilizer tanks, 2 * four meridian flat bottom bin 360x's, water tank.

F400 W, small, bad elevations, empty.

F466 E, big, bad elevations, five meridian liquid and solid fertilizer tanks, 2 * six meridian flat bottom bin 360x's, nuero 16m liter drive-thru grain bin silo, diesel fuel tank, water tank.

F539 NW, big, bad elevations, water tank, 2 * four liquid and solid fertilizer tanks, four meridian flat bottom bin 360x's, nuero 16m liter drive-thru grain bin silo, diesel fuel tank.

F1103 E, huge, bad elevations, 2 * four meridian flat bottom bin 360x's, nuero 16m liter drive-thru grain bin silo, three meridian liquid and solid fertilizer tanks, diesel fuel tank, water tank.

F820 W, small, bad elevations, empty.

F878 N, big, bad elevations, water tank, nuero 16m liter drive-thru grain bin silo, three meridian liquid and solid fertilizer tanks, 2 * four meridian flat bottom bin 360x's, diesel fuel tank, two tpf vehicle sheds.

F780 SW, medium, bad elevations, empty.

F1004 N, medium, bad elevations, six meridian solid fertilizer tanks, 2 * five meridian flat bottom bin 360x's, water tank, diesel fuel tank, five meridian liquid fertilizer tanks.

F1222 W, medium, bad elevations, empty.

F1299 N, big, bad elevations, 2 * four meridian flat bottom bin 360x's, four liquid and solid fertilizer tanks, nuero 16m liter drive-thru grain bin silo, diesel fuel tank, water tank.

F1456 W, small, bad elevations, three meridian liquid and solid fertilizer tanks, four meridian flat bottom bin 360x's, water tank, diesel fuel tank.

F1525 E, medium, bad elevations, empty.

F1411 SW, huge (long), bad elevations, four meridian flat bottom bin 360x's, diesel fuel tank, water tank, three meridian liquid and solid fertilizer tanks.

F1733 NW, huge, bad elevations, diesel fuel tank, five meridian liquid fertilizer tanks, 2 * four meridian flat bottom bin 360x's, water tank, four meridian solid fertilizer tanks, two tpf vehicle sheds, nuero 16m liter drive-thru grain bin silo.

F1779 N, medium, bad elevations, empty.

F1849 W, small, bad elevations, empty.

[Snake Man]

Edited PMC Undefined Farms 20km today, added several small to medium size grass fields for silage baling contracts use, as the original ones were all too large

Created v0.2.5 release packet, its now on testing at my Gaming computer, having some good fun after a long time in Farming Simulator 22 (FS22)

[Snake Man]

Been playing a temporary savegame on PMC Undefined Farms 20km for the past, uh oh it feels like three weeks now, time just have escaped me as I'm living in this terrains and savegames universe, its like nothing else matters hah, but guess its a good thing to escape real world sometimes, like right now when those website hosting and domain registration fees loom over me, scary stuff.

I have written down several bug reports, ideas, tweaking suggestions and just general game-play feedback from v0.2.7 of this terrain, been having a blast, getting my juices flowing with ideas and brainstorming things.

But also there are several realizations that kind of depress me, for example the farm yard heightmap elevations situation, just yesterday I had to purchase a large, overkill size, farm yard which was the closest one enough level so I could place the giants dairy cow barn placeable building without breaking the whole heightmap around it

Been trying to think how should these farm yards heightmap fixed

Most likely I'll publish all those bug reports, idea suggestions, tweaks etc thoughts I have written down, it would be nice to share them online instead keeping on my private archives as there is no privacy information to protect, I can access the info from PMC Tactical Forum links just nicely.

[Snake Man]

Fundamental Design Doc Image Resolution Problem

in short: cultivator_density low res jagged edges.

MAYBE. Just maybe, there is a fundamental GIMP design doc fs22terrain image resolution problem with cultivator_density how fields are created because in PMC Undefined Farms 20km v0.2.7 all field edges are jagged, that kind of traditional pixel roughness jaggedness, I always thought that it is what it is, but today 2025-10-10T13:55:36Z I decided to take Case IH Tiger-Mate 255 deep cultivator, use "allow create fields" mode in F1 menu, then do a smooth driving headline to one of my fields. The result was CLEARLY SMOOTHER than what comes out of default terrain project cultivator_density image. WHY?

So inspect your GIMP design doc image resolution, if this was lets say 8192 x 8192 or even smaller and you used the scaling up pixels thing like 1 pixel is 4 meters or something, well guess what genius, this is applied to fucking field edges in the form of pixel jaggedness rough look which is obviously not only looking bad, but it causes courseplay-gui garbage to generate horrible headlands on field edges where AI driver steers the vehicle like he is having a seizure of some sorts, for example the tractor/vehicle slows down probably 50% on those "micro turns" it takes as waypoints on the field edge are created way too detailed way too many zigging and zagging left and right like tractor being an allied convoy ship in U-Boot infested north atlantic waters. at worst I've seen John Deere 9620 RX (which is the worst, articulated tractor) to pull Case IH Tiger-Mate 255 deep cultivator at 15km/h speed on straight waypoint lines but on the zig-zag headlands field edges it slows to a crawl of 4km/h speed, that is so frustrating you want to jump outta the window, screaming

If this is truly the case that GIMP design doc XCF file is generating jagged edge fields then it has to be fixed one way or the other.

One somewhat bad way would be to match design doc XCF image resolution to terrain size, on PMC RedWhiteBlue 10km this would be still doable, 10240 x 10240 pixel XCF image with close to 10 layers would be doable with 32gb RAM, however larger than that like 20km terrains, not so much, I remember earlier GIMP versions struggling to edit PMC Rattler satellite mask image I believe it was or some other image I had for it, might have been satellite texture I don't remember and its not important, but 20480 x 20480 pixel XCF with multiple layers is no bueno.

Besides, such massive design doc XCF images would still have to be reduced to cultivator_density giants editor acceptable little girlie men pixel res sizes.

But this fundamental design doc FS22 terrain issue absolutely must be fixed, figure it the fuck out, then get it done. I will not want to play one single FS22 session anymore with jagged edge fields (cultivator_density) which cause courseplay-gui garbage headland field work courses that drive you the fuck outta your mind.

Now you know the problem, figure it out. Happy hunting.

Edit 2025-10-10T14:20:25Z, unfortunately courseplay-gui garbage still reduces tractor speed with the zig-zag field edges on my very first field that I plowed just slightly larger, this while it is yes partly PMC terrain issue, it definitely is courseplay-gui garbage issue by creating way too detailed waypoints on field edge headlands. At least the cultivator_density in my savegame, whatever resolution it is (I hope its 16384 x 16384 pixels) is not going to make courseplay-gui garbage to generate smooth line between field corners on a straight edge. Who knows perhaps its about the diagonal nature of my fields, there isnt a single straight 0, 90, 180 or 270 degree field edge in this terrain, they are all diagonal in direction. So yeah dunno in the end, even if original terrain project source cultivator_density and fruit_density would be 16k res and done with high res source, it might still not fix the crazy courseplay-gui garbage AI driver issue after all, hmm.

PMCTODO this issue report was written originally for local area network PMCTODO bugs/issues website, but several days ago I decided to start putting my private notes/bugreports into PMC Tactical Forum as long as there are no privacy sensitive info, then just linking the topic/post in PMCTODO website, this is the first of them. Formatting and language is done for myself (although I edited it a bit now), if you cant deal with it, too bad for you