need a source map

[Red Dog]

I'd like to start converting Balkan to ONC type maps, but I realized I lack a decent source map.

I always found the current (and AF as well) Balkan map particularily ugly
I think I remember that it wasn't so ugly back in the beginning SP2 days, I may be wrong though
Unfortunately, the best map I could come up with is this one, which is the one that was used to make my original white background kneemap.

If any one of you is aware of this map having been used in the UI, I would dearly appreciate to get it in 2048x2048 minimum.
Any help greatly appreciated


except that may be after all a cate map as I don't see the roads & rivers either ...
is cate able to do balkan maps ... I think I remember not, but I wouldn't trust my memory

[Snake Man]

I may have the 2byte balkans L2 somewhere, but also we should have the 4byte CATE exe, if I'm correct... so making CATE bitmap out of balkans L2 should not be a problem.

[Red Dog]

okay,

What do I need to give you then to get a 2048 map like the one above but with roads and river?
No hurries Snakeman; just don't want this to last 6 months, but I'm stuck anyway, so as long as I don't get such a map, no ONC map will ever be made available

Thanks
Olivier

[Snake Man]

Oh it needs to be same as above, well then it needs to be done in Terrainview and for that I need the L2 (2 or 4 byte, wont matter) and more importantly the TDF files... which I don't have. You could ask around from Codec/Washout if they still have them, but its quite unlikely they do after all these years.

[Red Dog]

No ONC balkan kneemap then, whatever, there are plenty of theaters around...

[Snake Man]

Do you know the precise lat/lon coordinates of Balkans theater?

Maybe if I still have the NON-spherical L2 converter by Miran Klemenc (or use perl scripts), I could produce the TDF files and then create the image you want.

[Red Dog]

Snake,

A friend of mine was able to get the 4 corner coordinates of the current theater:
Lower Left: N36,37.496 E010, 63.997
Upper Left :N45,49.275 E010, 63.997
Lower Right: N36,37.496 E22,27.523
Upper Right: N45,49.275 E24,11.760


Hope that's helpful to you for that map creating

Thanks
Rd

[Snake Man]

Can you quickly calculate the center point out of those coords?

[Red Dog]

N41,13.385 E017,06.799
Should be the center ...

[Red Dog]

Any hope to get one Snake?

[Snake Man]

Well the problem is that Dem2Terrain creates the TDF as spherical, Balkans is non-spherical theater, then the perl scripts only read the proper size chunk of dem data and Miran Klemenc's DEM2L2 util is not available for download. I do have it on some backup dvdr, but no idea where.

If you can quickly find me the util, I can then use it to create the bmp for you.

[Red Dog]

I have no idea what you're talking about Snake.
So i'll take that as a No, sorry it's not possible to do

[ccc]

my 0.002c,

if we can not find that tool, can we use existing tool to generate a map - then use PHOTOSHOP or other paint tool to stretch/adjust the map for use? say, i think most simmers flying in center part of theater, and rarely flying to edges of map - where the distortion is most noticable.
if somebody is good at photoshop tool, we may use some major cities/objectives as mark/reference point, for stretching/adjusting map to fit.

[Snake Man]

The proper spherical bmp I can do in 5 minutes, is that okay?

[Qaz]

You could use cate to make a make .bmp of the roads/rivers then just overlay it on the TV map? This would be more accurate theater wise since .tdf files are usually a mess and alot of hand tileing was done for Balkans>?

[derStef]

The proper spherical bmp I can do in 5 minutes, is that okay?

could you do that for Taiwan to get a clean 2048x2048 map or bigger? THAT would help a lot!

[Red Dog]

Started working on a lower quality source map to make my ONC chart for the balkans.

http://www.candyparty.com/ST/SP/Balkan/ ... kans_1.jpg

I'm still looking for a better 2048x2048 map if someone stumble on it, and CATE maps for roads and rivers ....

[ccc]

great job - looking forward to a better 2d map!

the nationality border lines help a lot..

[Red Dog]

Yep, agreed.
I wonder why I have so many cities up in the top right corner ...

[derStef]

Oh, yeah, looks really nice already in that early state.

RedDog, if you get bored, i would also have a job for you my friend!

cheers

Stef

[ccc]

hmm... aren't those yellow dots larger cities? i also wonder Yugoslav has so many highly-popluated cities.. much more developed than Italy!!

BTW.. i hope the main cities of PAK map could be marked on the map. i am not familiar with the geo info in this area so.. when UI shows air/ground operation targeting at some [city obj], it takes me a loooong while to locate it..thus make me a bit late to join the hot party.

[Red Dog]

Yes, the yellow spots are cities. I wondered the same ... about having more larher cities up there than in Italy.
Does,'t sound very logic to me

[Red Dog]

next preview...
And many thanks to Kagan Ozgul, the guy from Aegean theater again for his precious help getting the correct MSA figures for me
http://www.candyparty.com/ST/SP/Balkan/ ... ns_web.jpg

[Sherlock]

Very nice RD. (as usual! )

[Red Dog]

Anyone has the era NOTAM chart with the NO FLY zones drawn?

[ccc]

nice map!!

[Red Dog]

Si it's you Snakeman that edit all my posts because my images are too large
You're still on dial up or what ?
300K is way below average nowadays you know

[Red Dog]

Last one before final:

http://www.candyparty.com/ST/SP/Balkan/ ... ns_WIP.jpg

[Red Dog]

The maps are available:
http://www.combatsimchecklist.net/

[ccc]

Great job!

i confirmed the new map files working nicely in FF4/RV Balkan theater!

[Mapi]

Yeah, greate job!!
But the yellow cities.... to poor color, better you use a grey, i saw grey on some taiwan maps.