Israeli Theater

[ranger822]

Is it possilble to add a theater the forum list of Theaters or Add-on's?

Speaking of which - - - anyone have info on linking slots with CTs for hardpoints (pylons) which in turn link to weapons? First, I would like to ensure the new models I am adding to our database display without issue and second I would like to be able to create some new CT's and apply new pylons for new aircraft.

[Snake Man]

quote:Originally posted by Ranger:
Is it possilble to add a theater the forum list of Theaters or Add-on's?

Sure if you have a active/good/etc theater going on which really needs a forum. But dont ask me, since I'm so out of loop of the F4 scene now

[ranger822]

Well it was a thought. There are really only three truly active theaters being developed right now - - - ODS remake for Operation Iraqi Freedom, Angola Theater, and Israeli Theater. There is a possible fourth theater, European Theater, but not sure of where they are or what they are doing at the moment.

Angolan Theater is slated for release next year some time, OIF is on-going and don't know the timetable, and Israeli, is getting close to its first phased release. Israeli Theater has its own website for developers and we could just use FreeFalcon for annoucements and a forum, but PMC has long been the home for lots of developers from all executables (FF, SP, BMS, etc). It seems logical to post things here to capture the few die-hard developers attention and maybe enlist some advice or contributions.

[Bird-FF]

Ahem, Also Redflag/Topgun "the rebirth"

[Peled]

quote:Originally posted by Ranger:
... and Israeli, is getting close to its first phased release....It seems logical to post things here to capture the few die-hard developers attention and maybe enlist some advice or contributions

So here's some Pics , taken from the BetaII :


"Yom Kipur War-'73 "Campaign , is Done ! New PaK's , New Triggers , Accurated Historic Campaign as the Engine let me Get .
That's a Dynamic Campaign , Lot of Action , lot of Hellos Dropping Air Assaults Units ....
Here's How the ATO For the Yom Kipur War Campaign looks :


New PaK's For Yom Kipur Campaign :


Working PaK's :


"Six Days War-'67" Based on TE's had been Done . 9 Accurated Missions For this Timeframe , with :Mystere , Ouragen , Voutour , Hawker Hunter , Super-Frelon Etc.



as well as a " Six Days War-'67 " Campaign .

So , as for The Campaigns , Since we Focused on Historic Add-On For the IsraeliTheatre , we got 3 Historic Campaigns :

Save0.cam -"Six Days War-'67 " Campaign.
Save1.cam - "Yom Kipur -'73 War " Campaign .
Save2.cam - "Shlom Hagalil War -'82 " Campaign .

For those of you that use to Fly the Red Side , i can say that in the Campaign Mode , i concentrated on the Red Side too ! actually 60% of my BETA in the Campaigns ,i was flying the Red's , their Ground Troops got the Offensive ability very nice covered !

I'm Considering at these Days , to Create one More Campaign , a Fictional "2007 Scenario " Just to those of You That would like to Fly the Sufa and the Modern A/C's in a Campaign Mode .....So , it Probably will be available as a Seperate Package .

We are adding about 10 New Ground Vehicles Units to the DB : Centurion , Sherman51 , IS-3 Egypt Tank , AMX-13 Egypt Tank ,M47 Patton , SU100/SU120 Egypt Tanks and some Modern Vehicles as :Achzarit ,Chieftan , Sabra Etc.

DB Is still Under Edit Mode , UI's were Updated and Various Skins had been Done , Here are some Pics For The New Models :
First of all , The Mirage , We Got 2 Differents Model Entries for the Mirage .
First is the MirageIIIC & Second is a MirageIIIC SDW , Used for the "Six Days War" Campaign time frame .


More to come....

[Peled]

And here we Go (credits to ranger822 for pics ) :

2 Skins Sets have been Done , The "Bare Metal " Scheme and "Desert Scheme " Skins :

[Peled]

Skins For the 144 & 113 Nesher ,Squadrons :
The 144 Squadron Pics Show :






And the 113 Squadron :


Skins For all A-4 Skyhawks Squadrons ,These Skyhawk Textures still needs some Modd , but here's some :

[Peled]

....And Last but NOT Least : We Got 2 New Phantom Models , Based On Thoarek's One , Modd by ccc & ranger822 unique to Israeli Theater Update . One is For the "Yom -Kippur War-'73 " Timeframe , and the Second Is For the "Shlom Hagalil War -'82 " Timeframe , i will not Mentioned here all what had been Modd , Just Look at these Pics and Judge It :

The 201 Squad :



The 107 Squad :



The 105 Squad :



The 69 Squad :



The 119 Squad :


....And one more to Come....

[Peled]

The F-4 Pit Was Modified by ranger with permission from Eric "Aeyes" deBest.

My special thanks here goes to Eric , for letting us bring this out :

[Peled]

Here is a little Update from Eole2 , the Kfir Cockpit & Skins (WIP) :

[Peled]

Snakeman -is there any possibility to open a Section Dedicated to the IsraeliTheatre ?

Here's Some More Skin Work has been Done along with the DB Tweaks and Terrain Work :

Two Skin Sets For the Mystere , One is For the 1973 War Time Period and the Second is For the 1967 War Time Period :

















More To Come.....

[Peled]

The Ouragan :









The Vautour :








The "Lilit" 162 Serial :



....And One More......

[Peled]

The Kfir Grey Cammo :



Phantom 69 Squadron :



The 107 Squadron Tail :



Mi-6 :



New Merkava Model & Skin :




And Last But Not Least :



One more time Credits to Ronen For his Great References For Skinning , and To ccc For Great Support on Models .

I Got More Pics Of the Modern A/C's From the 1982 War Campaign , But i'll Upload them later....
Most of the Models have Been Upgrated to XDof's Models .
New Skins for the Super Frelon & for the Sikorsky S58 Has been Done as well .

The Campaigns Are already Rebuilded with the New DB and we Got some more things to Complete 'till the Release and we are few steps before Our Final BETA INStaller , please keep the Patience On .

ATM We've Got the Dead Sea , Jerusalem , The Golan Hights and Parts Of the Negev Desert (South Part Of Israel) PhotoRealistic Look [/b]



Peled
& F4ITDG.

[Peled]

a Lot have been Done , Especially DataBase & a Skin Work . Most Of the Models Have been Upgrated to Xdof Models .
The Enroute Acicons For all the New A/C's are Working Fine .
The "Yom Kipur War-'73" Campaign Is Done . The "Six Days War-'67" Campaign is at Progress Work .

And along the 3 Historic Campaigns ,I Included 12 Accurated TE's Based On "The Six Days War " .

And Some UI & Art Work had been Done .

Here's Just a "Short" Preview Of What have been DONE :



The First Hrs along The "Red Side" , Yom Kipur Campaign :



The C-130 Model ( Credits Goes To Fred BaldEagle For His Great Model ) :








The Dakota , Credits To Ranger822 & ccc :








.....More To Come .....

[Peled]

Egyptian C-47 :

[Peled]

One more Update : a new Model was integrated into the DB in the last minute , we got the Desault MystereIV & now we got also the SuperMystereB2 Model , 2 Skins Sets , one for the "Six Days War" time frame and the second for the "Yom Kipur War " time frame :



Peled.

[Khronik]

Hey.. Khronik here.

Really impressed with the work you guys have done with that theater. Im currently working on a Israeli conversion for AF and have pretty much completed it. I was just thinking after seeing your work if you guys would like to team up to release it for AF at the same time? I have made 3 new fictional theaters for Israeli for my AF installer though it would rock if we can integrate your theaters skins / CAM into the installer. The CAM format is compatible with AF and also the terrain data works fine.

Heres some screens of the conversion i did allong with new UI / SKIN / TERRAIN / CAM / ETC work.

[Peled]

looking good !
Good Luck with the project !

[ccc]

ya, nice job converting those theaters!

[Khronik]

Thanks.. tho im trying to find the original makers of the Israeli Theater so i can get their "OK" before i put this out. Dont want to step on anyone's toes.

When i saw your screens i thought wow that would be really nice to add to the installer, credit due of course. Ive managed to get 2 really good Skin guys to do so far the F16/F15/F4/MIII/Etc though you guys took it a bit further with some of those models / skins.

Let me know if you want to share.. lol.

[Peled]

Khronik , i sent you a PM .

[Sherlock]

Beautiful work guys. You should be proud. You've done a great job.

[Peled]

Thanks Sherlock !
But it's nothing with what we've got and didn't reported yet...
How's your Theatre is going on ?any Updates ? pics ?

[Sherlock]

quote:Originally posted by Peled:
Thanks Sherlock !
But it's nothing with what we've got and didn't reported yet...
How's your Theatre is going on ?any Updates ? pics ?

No pics of my Iranian theater yet because I've put it on hold while trying to solve the shadowing problem on the ODS theater for Allied Force. All my time is going into that now because it bugs me !

[Peled]

Iranian Theatre ?...sounds cool !
i hope you'll solve your problems on ODS .

[molnibalage]

What was happen this project? It will comes out ever?

[ccc]

so far so good, no worry.

[ranger822]

still on track guys keep the faith

[Fafa]

Is there also a conversion for OF version ?

[ranger822]

ready to roll up your sleeves?

[Fafa]

Mhhh why not

[ranger822]

Great - you going head the effort to port for everyone looking for an OF version of ITO2? If so, take a look at the result of the installer when it is released. Understand how the files & folders differ from OF and that will help to develop the method of handling files. I would recommed that you avoid having to make edits to the database, flight models, in order to accomodate OF theater switching limitations.

In order to get the complete ITO2 files you should probably be able to create a dummy Microprose/Falcon4 folder and the ITO2 Basic Installer should install all the files into it. You should then run the movies add-on installer. The cockpit add-on is something we need to discuss. I don't know how OF handles the cockpits but if it is anything like FreeFalcon 3.1.1 you will need to decide if you want to use the default cockpits of OF or if you want to swap out those OF cockpits for the ITO2 cockpits which will then allow you to have 50+ cockpits to fly nearly all primary aircraft. Perhaps the easiest way is to create a stand-alone installation just for Israeli theater. The next way is build some sort of patch program to swap out the various ITO2 files/folders. When you are ready to start - go ahead and start a new topic in Israeli Theater for porting to OF. We can me there and work our way thru the process. The end product should be a working installation of ITO2 for OF. It will then be up to you to build an installer to distribute ITO2 for OF. I doubt it will take very long.

[Fafa]

Did you talk about this to COUBY whos is the expert in porting theaters for OF ?
I know how folders work in OF and how to redistribute links in theaterdefinitions or lst files but I'm not a perl user. My only contribution is using tacedit for editing campaigns with the existing DB.

[ranger822]

Well sounds like Couby and you should discuss exactly how you want to handle things. I will work with whoever wants to lead the effort. I can also probably build the installer for you if you use the Israeli theater folders and don't build a stand-alone theater (which I think may actually be the better way to approach things) - - I just need the basic files that will be needed and the file folders you need.

CockpitsIsraeli, if you don't use a stand-alone theater will need to be patched in and out each time if you switch theaters, if you want to use ITO2's cockpits. Otherwise - just use the Korea default cockpits and then go back later and rebuild the cockpits the way you want - the 3d cockpit lods are in place as well as the 2d cockpit LODs. . it is entirely up to you how to use them or not.

[Fafa]

Well Ahem... I haven't got enough time to work on this at the moment and I think COUBY is more experienced in OF conversion and he's very occupied too.

It could be interesting to create a sort of OOB where we could see projects and who is involved in those projects in order not to do the same thing.

For the moment I am interested to catch lots of middle east skins. At this point I request authorization of the ITO2 team to add some of their skins in my little fix patch for ODS 0.6. Maybe I found someone to help me to adapt my campaigns for RV.

[ranger822]

Fafa - feel free to use any skin I have made and released over at OpenSkins I released about 20 PSDs and a bunch of stenciling tools - - All the other skins/textures are derivative in nature and I had to ask a permit to make/use them . . . so you better make you own for those or get a permit from the original maker to avoid any issues.

[Fafa]

Thank you very much, however there are so much people who made those skins that I can't find everyone of them (it's not written on the skins)....and wait an hypothetic permission (some abandonned Falcon months or years ago). That's a real problem and not useful for the common interest and for a better acuracy.

[Peled]

Hi Fafa

you can find a vy detailed list of all those ppl in our credits pdf. , it is in the IsraeliDocs folder .
all the names are listed there 8)

[ranger822]

Fafa,

I agree with Peled - the info you seek is located in the docs section. Getting permits is a necesasry evil. Every release contains detailed, by name info, of who did what. Eyran and I worked really hard to track everything down, as CCC, Baldeagle, Peled, and others will tell you. It is very difficult to grant you a permit to use something that doesn't technically belong to us. The EULA that I got from some very generous people didn't extend to granting that permit to others. I can't give you what doesn't belong to me - I apologize for any inconvenience. The easier course is if you really want something - you can always just make it yourself. You will find that almost everyone will grant you a permit - you just have to ask. I am trying to think of any instance where someone said "no" to my request. I can't think a one instance. Part of the reason is that I also intend to hold to my agreement with everyone that was generous enough to share their work or let me use it in some way for ITO2. Good luck.

[Fafa]

Ok, Thanks. I'll request as soon as possible.