Theater location suggestions

PMC Youtube channel · Post by **Snake Man** » 2002-04-25 16:55:00

Theater name: euronorth
Theater size: Regular
Size (L2 segments): 128 x 128
Size (L2 tiles): 2048 x 2048
Size (Nautical Miles): 1104.75 x 1104.75
Resolution: 0.134858 Nautical Miles
Centered on: Lat 55 Long 6
NW: Lat 64.2063 Long -15.1574
NE: Lat 64.2063 Long 27.1574
SW: Lat 45.7937 Long -7.20382
SE: Lat 45.7937 Long 19.2038
Highest point: 14989ft
Lowest point: 0ft

What do you think guys, would this be better than the earlier version?

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Snake Man

KBMIL · Post by **KBMIL** » 2002-04-25 18:50:00

not bad, but i would shift it a bit further east, Ireland doesn't have to be on the map...more east...

Greets Mil

87th_striker · Post by **87th_striker** » 2002-04-25 19:22:00

Problem with shifting east is the lambert projection on the russian data. If you can, do it..... But it sure looks good. How would a 256 map look

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Skyfire76 · Post by **Skyfire76** » 2002-04-26 07:16:00

AARRRRGGGHHH !

Toulouse is no more on the map !

Regards.

codec · Post by **codec** » 2002-04-26 07:24:00

quote:Originally posted by Snake Man:
Theater name: euronorth
Theater size: Regular
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Haven't I seen this text format somewhere else

Julian.

codec · Post by **codec** » 2002-04-26 07:27:00

Hey - no roads in Finland??

Guess you need to download huskytracks.e00, skidotrails.e00 and 4x4withchains.e00

Don't worry - we'll soon be able to process those too!

Julian.

FlyingV · Post by **FlyingV** » 2002-04-26 08:03:00

hi...personally I prefare the old location, where there is piace of Italy, of Spain...
this semms to became an more nordic theatre, and the presence of Yougslavia give more freedom in the campaign...it's more realistic. For Example...is for funny to take off from england and strike the yougoslavia or kosovo, like the b-52 2 years ago.. and the possibility to fly over the Pirenei, in the fence between france and SPain...

sorry for my english guys

Skyfire76 · Post by **Skyfire76** » 2002-04-26 11:40:00

Yep, anf if Toulouse is not here, I won't be able to take off from there and go bombing Cooler's house, in retalation to what he wants to do to mine

Regards.

codec · Post by **codec** » 2002-04-26 13:38:00

Thats ok Skyfire, you can take off from my local airport - it'll be quicker too.

In fact, I'll be your wingman if you like.

Loading up with Cooler seeking munitions...

Julian.

Oliver · Post by **Oliver** » 2002-04-26 14:07:00

quote:Originally posted by KBMIL:
not bad, but i would shift it a bit further east, Ireland doesn't have to be on the map...more east...

Yep, I second that. Otherwise, it's fine!
Let it start at, oh, around 5 or 6 degrees west and you're set. IMHO, of course

Anyway, the more northerly orientation probably allows for a more realistic campaign. In "RL", European countries south of the alps might not have seen that much action after all (compared to central and northern Europe, anyway).
Also, there could be quite some naval battles with that map

Bye, Oliver

Skyfire76 · Post by **Skyfire76** » 2002-04-26 14:46:00

[quote]quote:Originally posted by codec:
Thats ok Skyfire, you can take off from my local airport - it'll be quicker too.

In fact, I'll be your wingman if you like.

Regards.

PMC Youtube channel · Post by **Snake Man** » 2002-04-27 03:38:00

Theater name: euronorth
Theater size: Regular
Size (L2 segments): 128 x 128
Size (L2 tiles): 2048 x 2048
Size (Nautical Miles): 1104.75 x 1104.75
Resolution: 0.134858 Nautical Miles
Centered on: Lat 55 Long 9
NW: Lat 64.2063 Long -12.1574
NE: Lat 64.2063 Long 30.1574
SW: Lat 45.7937 Long -4.20382
SE: Lat 45.7937 Long 22.2038
Highest point: 14658ft
Lowest point: 0ft

Ok well this will piss off Cooler for sure. Suggestions? Comments?

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Snake Man

ccc · Post by **ccc** » 2002-04-27 06:40:00

i prefer more south, less Scandinavia pennisula. focus on central europe battle. slightly overlapping with Balkan is ok.

87th_striker · Post by **87th_striker** » 2002-04-27 08:30:00

I think this looks good, Snake Man. An assault from the east would use the northern flank through southern Sweden to get control of the sea resupply lanes to northern Germany, and to gain control of Denmark and the important airbases there. Guess you'll see two bridgeheads on the eastern coast of Sweden.

The main assault through mainland Europa would follow the the usual pattern.

Without problems with that, you could shift theater a bit more south, but still include the airbases in Jyväskylä and Halli. The bases would be important in the flank operation. They will of course not support the eastern forces.
Thumbs down meens shift it a bit more south.

Oliver · Post by **Oliver** » 2002-04-27 12:05:00

quote:Originally posted by Snake Man:
Suggestions? Comments?

Looks great. I love it!

Bye, Oliver

KBMIL · Post by **KBMIL** » 2002-04-27 14:16:00

that's what i had in mind !!

i love it !

greets Mil

Mike Laskey · Post by **Mike Laskey** » 2002-04-29 12:10:00

I know I'm a total PITA, but any chance of an installer that will handle spaces in directory names?

mike.

PMC Youtube channel · Post by **Snake Man** » 2002-04-29 17:07:00

I'd like to hear more comments on this one.

So far we have two yes counts for Centered on: Lat 55 Long 9 location.

I can create the terrain and features files in about 2 minutes depending how fast I can click CTRL-L to load features. Also Village Util creates the objectives in no time... but it takes some time to create the campaign with PAK maps and decent war activity.

This is the reason I want to finalize the Europe Theater coordinates once and for all.

All comments and suggestions are always welcome, feel free to post - it don't cost you anything

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Snake Man

PMC Youtube channel · Post by **Snake Man** » 2002-04-29 17:10:00

quote:Originally posted by ccc:
i prefer more south, less Scandinavia pennisula. focus on central europe battle.

Yeah it would be nice to get the ocean from South, however this Centered on Lat 55 is the perfect compromise just sliding between Nordic and Balkan theaters.

We dont get no theater makers wrath on our necks with lat 55

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Snake Man

Alberto · Post by **Alberto** » 2002-04-29 17:36:00

Hi to all
I also prefer the old location, where shows all France territory and a bit of Spain. And also the "Pirineos" are very important!

Saludos

Oliver · Post by **Oliver** » 2002-04-29 19:42:00

quote:Originally posted by Snake Man:
I'd like to hear more comments on this one.

Well, you _could_ shift it a little bit further south, so that the alps are the southern border of the theater, as they are the northern one for the Balkans theater.
But your second suggestions is more flexible with respect to possbile campaign scenarios IMO.
The very first attempt is out, I'd say. Having so much of france, spain, italy and the Balkans gains us not very much. When playing, these areas would be very much underpopulated, I think.
The very last map just _feels_ more right when it comes to a Red Storm type scenario.

Just my 0.02 EUR,
Oliver

araquael · Post by **araquael** » 2002-04-30 05:08:00

I think i can live with this one.

I would love to see an EF2000 style campaign map going on at the same time as the Central Germany campaign, but i think this will keep me happy!

That's a "yes" from me. Actually, a tiny bit east -although i am from Ireland, and schleping Mk-84s on Dublin would be entertaining, having a lot of Poland for near future campaign scenarios would be a good thing.

Gavin

Cooler69 · Post by **Cooler69** » 2002-04-30 09:07:00

Please make sure Twoloose(rs) is on there. I really want to break out those B-61's.

ccc · Post by **ccc** » 2002-04-30 09:12:00

Ok. I can live with this coverage.
Man i cant believe theater files can be done in minutes.
Once basic layout done, the focus will be tile-making. guess it wont be that fast.

Skyfire76 · Post by **Skyfire76** » 2002-04-30 10:38:00

quote:Originally posted by Cooler69:
Please make sure Twoloose(rs) is on there. I really want to break out those B-61's.

LOL

Well, finally, maybe it's agood thing that Toulouse (

I like this

Regards.

Washout · Post by **Washout** » 2002-04-30 10:50:00

I like this layout also.

BTW - Make sure RAF Benson is in there as I can nearly throw stones onto the runway from my house.

Later

Chris

Cooler69 · Post by **Cooler69** » 2002-04-30 11:05:00

I don't know Sky - those B-61's have a fairly large blast area. I might have to drop one near the edge of the map to see if it will wipe out Tooolooooose.

Skyfire76 · Post by **Skyfire76** » 2002-04-30 11:52:00

Well, you surely need a really large blast area : something like more than 200 kms radius if I'm not mistaken.

So, I think I'm safe (as long as there is no big nuke in F4

Regards.

codec · Post by **codec** » 2002-04-30 12:23:00

Ahh - but what about the high loft delivery. Release angle of 45deg at about 50,000ft, might make it much closer.

Julian.

Cooler69 · Post by **Cooler69** » 2002-04-30 12:34:00

I think we might need a JSOW then. Nice big booster rocket too.

Skyfire76 · Post by **Skyfire76** » 2002-04-30 12:49:00

Ah, damn those brits, they're all against me. Am I the only french here ? I think I can use some help ...

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Regards.

Cooler69 · Post by **Cooler69** » 2002-04-30 15:29:00

Yeah - I'll ruin Rouen too

PMC Youtube channel · Post by **Snake Man** » 2002-04-30 23:53:00

quote:Originally posted by Cooler69:
Actually, as long as both N.Ireland and London remain on the map, you can bomb both my previous and current home. I definitely want my work building on there too.

So are you saying the latest image's coordinates would be satisfactory?

I just don't want to lock the coordinates and build the theater and weeks later someone comes and says "hey this sucks, this is not how europe location should have selected. go home geek"

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Snake Man

krazyscotsman · Post by **krazyscotsman** » 2002-05-01 02:49:00

Snake_Man, I 'm not sure what I need to do to start on the textures. What tools do I need to download, current tiles, etc.? I have a question that might be stupid, is it possible to take pictures of terrain (I live in the desert) from a distance and then convert the files to 16bit bmp files? This would give the "appearance of photo quality terrains. I could do this for the ODS theater. What do you think? Location looks great for location for Europe.

PMC Youtube channel · Post by **Snake Man** » 2002-05-01 03:36:00

quote:Originally posted by krazyscotsman:
I 'm not sure what I need to do to start on the textures.

You can start by reading our texture tutorial, that gives you be basic idea of falcon texture/tile setup.

quote:What tools do I need to download, current tiles,

No tools really, only your own paint program to create new tiles.

Well current tiles hmm, yeah it would be good idea to take a look at them. Umm.

quote:is it possible to take pictures of terrain (I live in the desert) from a distance and then convert the files to 16bit bmp files?

Yeah I think so, or at least use them as reference like was done earlier in the Frugals forum posts.

quote:I could do this for the ODS theater.

Yeah we would need some generic terrain types that are missing.

Why don't you start new topic on the Operation Desert Storm area so we can dig into deeper at the desert.

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Snake Man

Cooler69 · Post by **Cooler69** » 2002-05-01 09:07:00

quote:Originally posted by Snake Man:
So are you saying the latest image's coordinates would be satisfactory?

I just don't want to lock the coordinates and build the theater and weeks later someone comes and says "hey this sucks, this is not how europe location should have selected. go home geek"

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Snake Man

The latest one looks pretty good to me. It would be nice to get more of France and perhaps Spain on there, but then you are going to lose most of Scandi, so best leave it as it is I think. Good work.

PMC Youtube channel · Post by **Snake Man** » 2002-05-01 10:35:00

Ok great!

So I'll give it a few hours/days to seddle in and if no other objections or ideas are popping up, the second image will be the Europe Theater location then.

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Snake Man

Ghostrider_C6 · Post by **Ghostrider_C6** » 2002-05-02 01:00:00

No you are not the only french here !)
I am back

And south of france ther si many military airbase .... so a little bit more south

ll be better

Webmaster of www.checksix-fr.com

Skyfire76 · Post by **Skyfire76** » 2002-05-02 07:25:00

Ah, great

Yeah, a little more south please, who wants to go flying so up north anayway, where it is so cold

Regards.

PMC Youtube channel · Post by **Snake Man** » 2002-05-02 08:10:00

Theater name: euronorth
Theater size: Regular
Size (L2 segments): 128 x 128
Size (L2 tiles): 2048 x 2048
Size (Nautical Miles): 1104.75 x 1104.75
Resolution: 0.134858 Nautical Miles
Centered on: Lat 53 Long 9
NW: Lat 62.2063 Long -10.7437
NE: Lat 62.2063 Long 28.7437
SW: Lat 43.7937 Long -3.75398
SE: Lat 43.7937 Long 21.754
Highest point: 14658ft
Lowest point: 0ft

When you least expect it - we strike back.

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Snake Man