new 3d toys?

ccc · Post by **ccc** » 2001-05-20 08:15:00

pic deleted.

Na, its a test sample using LODeditor!
not a serious project but, wow, very easy to modify this aim54 shape into a very rough new shape!

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Widowmaker · Post by **Widowmaker** » 2001-05-20 09:24:00

looks great

I just installed LE myself...boy it seems complicated...but then again I should read the manuals firts I gues...

as I only have been busy on the terrainfiles
and know my way there quite well.I wanna spend a few days on LE just to see what it can do..(or what I can do with it)

(ccc...could you give me some hints on wich ac I should alter in order to get an EF2000)

and another question...I'm thinking to remove the nightlighting of the tiles and replace them by small lighting objects
or by redrawing builing textures with lighting....
....
do you got any pointers for me
I am fairly new to proggies like f4browse lodeditor lodbrowse...I understand it posssible...yet were do I start...

I will give more info on what I would want later..I hope you can help me

Widowmaker

ccc · Post by **ccc** » 2001-05-20 09:42:00

I'd like to help, the truth is, im learning too.
from what i know, Dragon's Mac version is much more advance than PC version. it means, modelers could do better job with much less effort.

the current LE need some basic 3d modeling and spatial perspection. also i need PAPER and PENCIL for notes, then keep calculate and key-in figures. even though, LE is much much more easier than Ripper's byte-editing!

frankly, i plan to work on very simple items at this momenet, like ammos. If you are not ready to jump into 3d modeling, better hold till newer version LE available! are you ready?

Widowmaker · Post by **Widowmaker** » 2001-05-20 09:53:00

well my goals are set very simple

the EF2000...should wait for now...lol

yet what I want are litlle flat square objects
with textures that light up in the dark
this to replace the terrainlightining

I need info on:

- wich colors to use on those textures and what color of lightining they give.
-how falcon handles lighting in textures
is this related to objects or is it just a paletta isue of the textures

Also 1 more thing Death119 wants pyramids
and I think he shoould have them..
the shape wont be to much of a problem...yet
are the textures limited..I mean can we have sandcolored textures for it

staring blind into the dark..seeing dots before my eyes..lol

Widowmaker

Death_119 · Post by **Death_119** » 2001-05-20 13:50:00

hello widow told me today about the new group and i'm in. just hoping you will accept to have me

. anyway i will readt the tutorials today and will start to mess F4 again by tomorrow. my goal will proberly be the C-7 kfir but i will do what ever i can

.

ccc · Post by **ccc** » 2001-05-20 14:26:00

widmkr,
no idea about that at this momenent, got to ask Dragon.

Dudi,
hope we can use Dragon's mirage2000 for template later.
As for pyramind, i'll check that.

and new shot here, a more serious one, German Komoran ASM in correct diamension.

not a very serious one but, ..need a better LODeditor with more automation!!

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MAVDON1 · Post by **MAVDON1** » 2001-05-20 18:45:00

Are the new tools out yet? Could someone please e-mail me with the location so I can d/load it - Thanx in advance.

Don Mac

Com_gp · Post by **Com_gp** » 2001-05-20 20:08:00

Well, still learning, like everybody, its hard as hell and i would like to move the vertex with the mouse but...
Well, heres the crap of plane which ive done, nothing important, trying to do the EF2000,

ComGP

Widowmaker · Post by **Widowmaker** » 2001-05-20 20:38:00

Oh God thanks Com_gp

this all after a few hours....wow.

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very cool...

I ended up drunk this afternoon...lol
god save me and give me virtue
this is great

Widowmaker

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ccc · Post by **ccc** » 2001-05-21 01:11:00

wow, this typhoon is cool!
i mean, in 80-90% of aircombat you wont tell the differences from the most detailed one!

of course, we still want a perfect shape at last

ccc · Post by **ccc** » 2001-05-21 04:52:00

Don, here you are

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/F4LE

note: serious modeling is no easy thing.
that Kormoran ASM got 56 vertice to edit, i edit them one by one, for matching the real thing. For a perfet a/c, you can image how many vertices to edit, 1000-2000!!

Com_gp · Post by **Com_gp** » 2001-05-21 07:26:00

well, i know, it sucks, its my first try to this program and still A LOT to learn, having problems and i would like to know if its possible to add/delete vertex,

ComGP

Widowmaker · Post by **Widowmaker** » 2001-05-21 07:39:00

No Compg it doesn't suck at all

have you tries it ingame yet????

please post a screenie

Widowmaker

Com_gp · Post by **Com_gp** » 2001-05-21 09:09:00

ok, no problemo, heres the shoot, still have to add the engine air capture, reading the manuals trying to find the way to add nodes vertex or however its called, well, the shoot is here.

ComGP

Widowmaker · Post by **Widowmaker** » 2001-05-21 09:44:00

1 word:....great

I'm having a very hard time here..I cant beleive you guys pick up on this software so quick...

Widowmaker

Widowmaker · Post by **Widowmaker** » 2001-05-21 09:46:00

F16 XL would be cool....

line drawing:

http://military.topcities.com/wing/f16xlmap.jpg

Some better pictures of the plane
this is 1 of my all time favourite F16 models
would be great to be able to test it overe Nevada.....might get operational in Iceland..lol

http://community.webshots.com/album/8414374aUVyfDwimI

More XL info:
http://military.topcities.com/wing/deltawing.htm

F16 AFTI:
http://frontpage.hughes.net/michaelb/afti.htm

Great site on all F16 versions:
http://military.topcities.com/usa/f16.htm#recce

Also some great pictures of the
EF2000 over there
http://community.webshots.com/album/8306487aKRUtmIeGi

btw ...check this pic
http://www.pcwallpapers.com/wallpaper/a ... 00/B1B.jpg

Widowmaker aka Metalhead

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ccc · Post by **ccc** » 2001-05-21 10:12:00

comgp,
very nice ingame shot! so quick you add a skin

like what i said, in 90% aircombat your typhoon is good enough, right? just add some nationality roundels and few more pylons slot, lets call it "project Typhoon, phase I"
hehe..how about challenge yourself, build a typhoon out of F16 shape?

Com_gp · Post by **Com_gp** » 2001-05-21 17:58:00

well, all i can say is that i have million of problems with this model, first of all, theres no freeking way to add more vertex what means that i dont have any idea of how to make the engine air capture.
Second, i hope the guys who are doing this great utility to let move the vertex with the mouse in the next version, and third I DONT KNOW WHY, the freeking model mest up when i was playing arround with pilons, i know this is a beta, so in my opinion its gonna be imposible to get really detailled models like the F16 until we have the 3ds converter from julian or any other utility comes out, well, anyway, we can do stuff like weapons and stuff like that at least.
Other thing, im gonna try to make this (bad) EF2000 f4patch compatible to give it to you although i still think that is nothing serious, and its just one LOD, when you go further...

ComGP

BaldEagle · Post by **BaldEagle** » 2001-05-21 18:02:00

quote:Originally posted by ccc:
from what i know, Dragon's Mac version is much more advance than PC version. it means, modelers could do better job with much less effort.

the current LE need some basic 3d modeling and spatial perspection. also i need PAPER and PENCIL for notes, then keep calculate and key-in figures. even though, LE is much much more easier than Ripper's byte-editing!

Your speculation that the Mac version is "much more advanced" than the PC version is inaccurate. The only difference between the 2 versions is that Rick added 3-D textured and shaded view. The PC version has some enhancement in the node texture editing window that the Mac version does not have, yet.

Fred

Widowmaker · Post by **Widowmaker** » 2001-05-21 19:28:00

OK...ComGP..took me by the hand..and lead me trough to the world of LE.
Boy it is great...I just modified the wings of an F4 just for testing/learning..

...lol

This a great tool
thanx to all involved
setting up some serious stuff now.

...

Widowmaker

Widowmaker · Post by **Widowmaker** » 2001-05-21 23:18:00

cant resist the urge to post any 4 vertexes I change...sorry...

widmak

ccc · Post by **ccc** » 2001-05-22 00:46:00

quote:Originally posted by BaldEagle:
Your speculation that the Mac version is "much more advanced" than the PC version is inaccurate. The only difference between the 2 versions is that Rick added 3-D textured and shaded view. The PC version has some enhancement in the node texture editing window that the Mac version does not have, yet.

Fred

Oops! forgive my ignorance, pliz.

ccc · Post by **ccc** » 2001-05-23 12:29:00

Ok, now this shape is done, AS37 ARM.(though it looks like Komoran ASM, the dimension is exact as The Real Thing(tm), a serious project!)

God knows which theater could use it but, LOD1 and LOD2 done.

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Hunter · Post by **Hunter** » 2001-05-23 17:23:00

This Lod editor is not out yet?
This looks promissing.

Widowmaker · Post by **Widowmaker** » 2001-05-23 17:35:00

nope lodeditor is not yet out
all this work has been done by the first beta release...

for the oficial release you got to wait a bit longer

Widowmaker aka Metalhead

Hunter · Post by **Hunter** » 2001-05-23 19:20:00

Ah, thanks.
I'll need this for the Harrier mod

Widowmaker · Post by **Widowmaker** » 2001-05-24 07:34:00

As far as I know HCPOOKIE
is doing the harier upgrade...you might wanna contact him right away
we dont wanna have 2 teams working on the same thing here...(unless working together..lol)
http://k2.netaddress.com/tpl/Info/Popup ... 3D16147.39

Widowmaker

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ccc · Post by **ccc** » 2001-05-24 12:23:00

one more toy, AJ.168.

Hunter · Post by **Hunter** » 2001-05-24 15:45:00

Widowmaker thanks for the info, the F4A is working on that mod for quite a while now and it was posted already.

ccc · Post by **ccc** » 2001-05-25 01:52:00

quote:Originally posted by Hunter:
Widowmaker thanks for the info, the F4A is working on that mod for quite a while now and it was posted already.

so, latest screenshots? no news for the public since Feb!!!

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ccc · Post by **ccc** » 2001-05-26 00:44:00

this pic updated

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Hunter · Post by **Hunter** » 2001-05-27 02:33:00

No shots because Tornado lost all his work when he had to format his HD.

I have new models already and some talks with eteam for hovering. Lets see what future will bring with this G2 thing, if eteam can't work, then there's no point working on it i suppose

We need to move the nozzles in some way to take off and land.

ccc · Post by **ccc** » 2001-05-27 02:41:00

AJ168 updated, almost done.

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Widowmaker · Post by **Widowmaker** » 2001-05-27 07:31:00

quote:Originally posted by ccc:

AJ168 updated, almost done.

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hey ccc did you try and append a new texture to one of your models yet

this proggie is getting better and better

Widmak

ccc · Post by **ccc** » 2001-05-27 07:48:00

not yet.
new LE could do texturing in an easier way, i think.

ccc · Post by **ccc** » 2001-05-27 11:55:00

small toy, Rapier SAM on a/c

MAVDON1 · Post by **MAVDON1** » 2001-05-27 17:05:00

CCC,
Thanx for the link buddy - although it refused to recognise the URL, but the v1.96 just came out and I picked that up off the same site today (gonna start playing with that in a min!)
Com-GP: Nice Typhoon dude, very, very impressive, especially by any of my standards!
WidowMaker: Love the little touch with the F4 wings - nice!
Just for everyone's thoughts: the F16-XL being an experimental aircraft, we can see the photograph shows the wings with individual silhouettes and technological experiments on each, yet the line drawing shows identical silhouettes - I guess if anyone went for modellling that they would follow the line drawing?!

Regards, Don Mac

MAVDON1 · Post by **MAVDON1** » 2001-05-27 17:10:00

CCC,
Thanx for the link buddy - although it refused to recognise the URL, but the v1.96 just came out and I picked that up off the same site today (gonna start playing with that in a min!)
Com-GP: Nice Typhoon dude, very, very impressive, especially by any of my standards!
WidowMaker: Love the little touch with the F4 wings - nice!
Just for everyone's thoughts: the F16-XL being an experimental aircraft, we can see the photograph shows the wings with individual silhouettes and technological experiments on each, yet the line drawing shows identical silhouettes - I guess if anyone went for modellling that they would follow the line drawing?!

Regards, Don Mac

Dragon · Post by **Dragon** » 2001-05-29 16:07:00

Hey guys, been away a while but see you are getting involved. Just a few comments:

1. At first glance, the program can be a bit complicated. This is not by design but rather by the structure of the LOD file. However, the more you use it, the better and quicker you get! Plus, Fred and Myself will continue to add functions that make it easier. Remember, I have been the only one using it up until Fred released a beta version so we are only now getting a true beta test.

2. As to the capabilities of this program, well, I created the B-2 model from scratch and it wasnt too diffuclt. Yes, you need to know the LOD structure inside and out but it can be done rather easily. A 3Ds converter would be the ideal method in the long run.

3. Mac vs. PC! Funny how this topic somehow always surfaces. The main difference is that my LE is integrated into my Browser program. If you take Julians Browers and combine it to Freds LE, then you have what I have. Concerning the LE portion, Fred is correct. I have complete 3D viewing with shading and texturing which is wonderful! However, Fred has some nice options that I dont have. For the most part, the programs function identically except in cases of new functions that I am working on. Once I get them ironed out, Fred incorporates them (and vice-versa of course)

4. Adding deleting verts. This has been discussed many times. Anytime you add or delete verts, change poly types, etc., you change the node length. Then everything needs to be updated and managed. Very difficult task that is not part of either of our LE's at this time. The good news is I am about half way through getting it done right so when we finally get the changes in place, you will have total control of verts, node types, node orders, etc. Just give is some time.