Desert Storm SP3 v0.3 BETA reports

icebrain · Post by **icebrain** » 2002-07-11 01:39:00

quote:Originally posted by Bukken:
Snake,

I have noticed that flights taking off on the theatermap show up as triangles. It is not possible to "recon" them. After one minute or so they change into jets and recon is possible.

Bukken out

That's a feature, not a bug! Aircraft that have not been identified by AWACS, another fighter, etc. will show up as triangles on the map (with "Bogey" instead of the aircraft type).

PMC Youtube channel · Post by **Snake Man** » 2002-07-11 03:17:00

quote:But the kills were not noticed in my logbook. Even my Player rating did not increase!

Can you verify that the kills are recorded properly in Korea first?

quote:curious to know if the jaquar will be availabe intime for ODS's release.

I have no knowledge of Jaguar being added to the DataBase. Does anyone know?

quote:Twice now when I am flying in the second campaign when I request help from AWACS, I get a CTD.

If this was with the bugfix #2, you need to restart the campaign for starters.

Please send me save game file and point to a Squadron & Flight where you call awacs and get CTD.

quote:wierd, the route to al kuwaiyt depot not linked directly to neighboring installations..

Seems like the paths to Al Kuwayt city lead from: Al Kuwayt SAM Site, Al Kuwayt Factory, Al Kuwayt Depot and Al Jahra Chemical Plant.

Can you confirm the ground unit movement on BugFix #2 (the one you just got hehe)

quote:AWAC goes up without escort, and the MIG21 shoots it down.

I'll try to coordinate the BARCAP flights and Tanker stations for next update.

quote:I selected an A-10 sq and readjusted the sliders so that my primary targets would be ground ones,

When adjusting the sliders, while they do work for the areas you select, the campaign ATO gets much less activity when not on HQ setting.

This is known campaign engine fact, nothing to do with theater itself.

quote:Is there a way to upload my crashlog

Just copy-paste it and paste it to the message posted in this forum. I will then snatch it from here with ease.

quote:Shaikh ISA is still not straight, and its the only viper base

Shaikh ISA is now fully leveled in the next update. Btw I do remember you posting an image of it and it was certainly something different that I've seen.

All in all, check the next update (when available) and evaluate Shaikh ISA situation please.

quote:Could it be that this has to do with the "*" behind the jammer in the munitions-screen (means it causes trouble)?

Yes. Damn I did not realize the weapons too could have * marked on them. Thanks for the tip.

quote:I don't think I saw anyone mention this, but this ILS won't work.
Is there a list of the TACAN stations

Next update will have Red Dog's stations.dat which I think have the TACAN's at least fixed, dunno about the ILS.

Red Dog?

quote:AHMED AL JABER and north (very near) of the airbase is a bridge over a small dry wadi. I think the bridge is false at that location.

False? Is it placed on land and not river/road crossing?

PMC TFW
Snake Man

ccc · Post by **ccc** » 2002-07-11 03:53:00

quote:I have no knowledge of Jaguar being added to the DataBase. Does anyone know?

nobody working on it at this moment. i'll try to push some expert, or make a viewable (means no-black fuselage part only) simple model.

BTW, almost finish two choppers, A109 and Lynx.. sure, both are of little use in this horrible campaign, just for realism

quote:Seems like the paths to Al Kuwayt city lead from: Al Kuwayt SAM Site, Al Kuwayt Factory, Al Kuwayt Depot and Al Jahra Chemical Plant.
Can you confirm the ground unit movement on BugFix #2 (the one you just got hehe)

will check it NOW.

MadsFuruvald · Post by **MadsFuruvald** » 2002-07-11 06:33:00

Nasty CTD, approaching the carriers, selecting SEA Radar and see the fleet. Now I zoom in to see their heading. By accident I designate the CV and was looking on My Desktop.

Error log
_______________________________________

[adming edited crashlog. Its been recorded and saved for debugging. Thank you.]

Tomcattwo · Post by **Tomcattwo** » 2002-07-11 14:01:00

Received a CTD when in Teams screen of TE Creation I right clicked on the map that shows which Team owns which territory (happened twice so it is repeatable).

The cursors controlling the pen and eraser for this little map also are way offset from the end of the little "jet" cursor, which makes tinting the owned territory extremely difficult. This then complicates who owns what when creating a TE.

The Chemical Plant for the Baghdad Chemical Plant site is missing (in recon).

More to follow. Still trying to make TEs for testing.
R/
TC2

Tom "Tomcattwo" Stevenson
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HotDogOne · Post by **HotDogOne** » 2002-07-11 17:24:00

Snakeman:

What date does the initial a/c set-up for Desert Storm represent? I noticed that there are no in-theatre transports (C-130's etc) in the campaign at the moment, making it so that the KC-10's fly air-lift missions.

Just curious more than anything as the setups dont seem to match any of the information on ODS build up that I have.

I can get the US information that I have to you if you want so that you can compare ?

PMC Youtube channel · Post by **Snake Man** » 2002-07-11 20:08:00

quote:Originally posted by Tomcattwo-FreeBirds-NA-VFS:
Received a CTD when in Teams screen of TE Creation I right clicked on the map that shows which Team owns which territory

I'd take a wild guess but this sounds like and EXE issue, so we are stuck with it.

We'll... Widowmaker will remove the window so there is no CTD, but then again no map painting either heh.

quote:The Chemical Plant for the Baghdad Chemical Plant site is missing (in recon).

Shows up here just fine... maybe you can get screenshot out of it?

quote:What date does the initial a/c set-up for Desert Storm represent?

Operation Desert Storm 1991.

quote:I noticed that there are no in-theatre transports (C-130's etc) in the campaign

True, I have just added few of them into the campaign. Should be in the next installer.

PMC TFW
Snake Man

PMC Youtube channel · Post by **Snake Man** » 2002-07-11 23:57:00

New beta will be out tomorrow (Friday evening GMT+2) I think.

Too tired to put it out now

PMC TFW
Snake Man

MadsFuruvald · Post by **MadsFuruvald** » 2002-07-12 05:39:00

Day one Flying the F16CG first strike mission, I have seen the ghost planes (well seen the labels and hear the sound) 2 times so I guess it's repeatable. Flight name for the ghost'a are Cowboy 91,92. I have not been able to find out what aircraft it is yet. Anyone else noticed thoose ghosts?

Metal

T_Rex · Post by **T_Rex** » 2002-07-12 15:55:00

Potential graphics bug:

I emailed Snakeman, and he's not having the trouble, so this could very easily be a problem with me. First, my sys is a Celeron 433, 320 MB ram. I had a Voodoo3, but just got a GeForce2.

Ok, when I installed the GF2, I had the ODS theater selected. I went to the logbook I use for ODS testing (ODS Rex) and changed the graphics setups. When I clicked on the little preview box, the terrain came up black, purple and green.

I then tried uninstalling ODS - no joy. Still had the problem in Korea. Tried just reinstalling SP - no joy, even though it looked like it was recreating the theater.

So, now I'm going to reinstall F4 and see if that happens.

Now, if someone else could try this - ideally with a GF card that'd be great. Well, not great if you have to reinstall, but it'll help me figure out if this is specific to my system.

Thanks,
T

87th_striker · Post by **87th_striker** » 2002-07-12 16:49:00

DX 7.0a ? Why not latest version ?

T_Rex · Post by **T_Rex** » 2002-07-12 17:05:00

Inertia.

PMC Youtube channel · Post by **Snake Man** » 2002-07-12 20:33:00

ODS BETA v0.3 new installer is sent out to beta testers.
http://www.pmctactical.org/f4/odsbeta.php

Keep posting those reports!

PMC TFW
Snake Man

T_Rex · Post by **T_Rex** » 2002-07-12 21:01:00

Oh SM-

In my reinstallation, I noticed this time that the theater.lst was correct after installing ODS. You might want to check the uninstaller and see if it completely removes the theater.lst instead of just the ODS line. I may be able to test this for sure over the weekend.

Of course, once people have the final version installed, there will be no reason to uninstall this wonderful theater....

Ender Wiggin · Post by **Ender Wiggin** » 2002-07-13 00:59:00

well the Shaikh ISA airbase is still fubar, ghost a/c, and 39 needs to be fixed

MadsFuruvald · Post by **MadsFuruvald** » 2002-07-13 10:05:00

quote:
You might want to check the uninstaller and see if it completely removes the theater.

It removed it completly on my W2k system, left the TE's and saved games. I removed them manually and it reinstalled with no problem.

MadsFuruvald · Post by **MadsFuruvald** » 2002-07-13 13:29:00

Another CTD, was doing a Landing after a successfull strike mission, SQD 666th F16CG, got clearence and the ILS for RWY 16 was showing up, had a C130 .8 ahead, never got clearence as I approached the runway, so I declared a emergency, landed, breaking, NWS on, lined up and was preparing to turn off at the first turnoff to the right... Screen locked for a brief second and I was looking at my desktop.

ERRORLOG:

[admin edited and saved crashlog for debugging]

brettreid · Post by **brettreid** » 2002-07-13 13:34:00

Snakeman,

Congrats on an excellent Theater. Downloaded ODS Preview22 last night. I can see a lot of work went into this and thanks to all the people involved...(I am sure there are quite a few!!)

The only thing I have noticed so far:

When taxiing out on a Campaign mission, the taxiway is shaking under me (hehe). This also happens in the orbit view on the taxiway. Doesn't happen in Korea tho (I don't have any other Theaters installed)

Other things I noticed in Preview12 were a large hotel directly in the path of final approach to either Bahrain or Shaikh ISA airfields and a couple of coastal tiling problems. (nothing too serious)

My machine:
OS: Win2k
CPU: Intel 1.5Ghz
Mem: 512Mb SDRAM
H/D: 40 Gig
3d Card: GeForce 4 MMX440

No CTD's so far (touch wood)
Will keep testing...

Guzzle

stovall · Post by **stovall** » 2002-07-13 13:48:00

Have the new ODS installed. So far no problems at all. Uninstall works perfectly. My question is how does one change the skins in the Tactical Engagement. I have use TexInstaller successfully in the Instant Action, no problem. I understand the changing of the *.bmps to make this happen. After changing the skins and creating a new TE, the same ROK light camo body shows up with the new tail art. Ideas?

PMC Youtube channel · Post by **Snake Man** » 2002-07-13 14:38:00

quote:Originally posted by guzzle:
coastal tiling problems. (nothing too serious)

Can you get me the coordinates?

PMC TFW
Snake Man

brettreid · Post by **brettreid** » 2002-07-13 15:29:00

quote:Originally posted by Snake Man:
Can you get me the coordinates?

PMC TFW
Snake Man

How would I go about getting the co-ordinates?
Something else:
Twice now when I have started an ODS Campaign, there are no comms. Cannot hear Tower, talk to AWACS or Wingmen. Quit, reboot and it works...?

shaunman · Post by **shaunman** » 2002-07-13 15:48:00

hope it works out

ccc · Post by **ccc** » 2002-07-13 17:03:00

quote:Originally posted by guzzle:
a large hotel directly in the path of final approach to either Bahrain or Shaikh ISA airfields and a couple of coastal tiling problems. (nothing too serious)
Guzzle

YES.. i note that HOTEL

brettreid · Post by **brettreid** » 2002-07-13 18:23:00

Snakeman,

After my first sortie in ODS Campaign, there are no more to fly. There are just 3 missions and they are already landing.
I set the time to 64X and it didn't generate any more.....
Also the Su-24's never turn to engage, they just fly along in a straight line. I even flew close formation with one to try and get him to engage and he just flew on as if I wasn't there. (Enemy Skill=Ace)

carlbr · Post by **carlbr** » 2002-07-13 19:05:00

Hi,

So far so good. Got the new installation up and running. No CTD's yet, but I have noticed that I am being tasked to attack repaired targets and I am only two and half hours into the campaign.

carlbr · Post by **carlbr** » 2002-07-13 22:23:00

Hi,
Well I opened my big mouth. I had a CTD, was looking at a flight of Tu-22 getting shot down. I was watching one spiral, then just as it was going to explode, CTD. Crashlog below.

[admin edited and saved crashlog for debugging, thanks]

brettreid · Post by **brettreid** » 2002-07-13 22:44:00

[quote]quote:Originally posted by ccc:
YES.. i note that HOTEL

brettreid · Post by **brettreid** » 2002-07-13 22:51:00

quote:Originally posted by Metal:
Day one Flying the F16CG first strike mission, I have seen the ghost planes (well seen the labels and hear the sound) 2 times so I guess it's repeatable. Flight name for the ghost'a are Cowboy 91,92. I have not been able to find out what aircraft it is yet. Anyone else noticed thoose ghosts?

Metal

Yeah I have...

EA-6B · Post by **EA-6B** » 2002-07-13 23:12:00

I just had a CTD, in the 2d world. Started the campaign, and i ran it for 1 hour in 8x accleration, then I activated on the AWACS map:

-Show any aircraft
-Show any ground unit

After that i opened the priority slider bars, and played with them. As i clicked an the bar, were you can adjusted the priority of any sector the games crash to the desktop.
I'm sorry, but there seems to be no actual crash log. hte only crash log file I got, is a few days old, but I installed ODS yesterday..

carlbr · Post by **carlbr** » 2002-07-14 02:43:00

Hi,

I had the same CTD as EA-6B, as soon as I opened the PAKS control panel, F4 CTD. No crashlog generated.

87th_striker · Post by **87th_striker** » 2002-07-14 13:18:00

Flew a nice multiplayer mission (Black Phoenix) out of Bahrain against Kharg Island AB with Ryan from the 87th. The mission went well, but I was puzzled by the low OPFOR SAM and radar activity. For those of you that flew F-19 Stealth fighter in the old days, the SAM's in Iran was a serious threat. So ,I think there should be strong SAM coverage along the coast and bigger cities. Also strategic important places like airbases, powerplants and similar should have SAM and AAA coverage. As a minimum, an airbase shall have a SA3, some MANPADS and AAA. If it's important, a SA6 or something stronger should cover it, too.

Would also suspect to see more surveilance radars too. A factory was found in the water , just at the norther tip of Bahrein. I also think there should be some industrial tiles at Kharg islan. It's one of the largets oil terminals in the world. So some docks and warehouse should be placed around it.

ccc · Post by **ccc** » 2002-07-14 14:01:00

hmm... ya go to pay more attention to Black pheonix campaign. Iran should have more AD machine..but what type? some Hawk and? in MPS F15II Iran got Hawk, thats all.
BTW nice momeory from MPS F-19/F-15II series, i still remember 28 AA kills in one mission-- mostly done with 20mm cannon

Since campaign-making getting easier, and ODS' heading toward public release, i'd suggest add few more campaigns like:

1. ficitious 1991 ODS -- Iraqis moving faster than coalition forces expect, they are heading to take Saudi capital/Dahram/Mecca? coalition forcess enforcement coming too slow.. something like Iron fortress.

2. Purely Iran-Iraq war in 1980. horrible attrition war.

3. some historic ODS 1991 TEs. maybe some TEs featuring Israeli battles.

Then the package should be pretty nice and complete.

DDeuce · Post by **DDeuce** » 2002-07-14 18:07:00

1st and 2nd flight of ODS Beta....First flight WinXP Beta loaded quickly and efficiently, no problem logs noted.....Launched sim, selected DesStrm good results.....flew 1st AI mission No Problems up to and including landing upon completion of mission (a little over an hour to fly) only problem of note is upon requesting landing...landing was vectored to site other than what was in DED....other than that NO PROBLEMS....second flight, began well, half-way to the SPT 2 external (satelite view) when attempting to use look closer view.........got a CTD....flew mission again.....could not duplicate CTD, will try again...and again......WinXP K6Proc, 30ghd Radeon3d SDR

EA-6B · Post by **EA-6B** » 2002-07-14 18:12:00

everything is fine, most squadrons are creating missions, but:

P-3
Buccanner
A-10
AV-8B

arn't creating any missions. Also the 3d model of die Mirages will not appear inside the 3d world.

carlbr · Post by **carlbr** » 2002-07-14 19:51:00

Hi,

I noticed that the Mirages are being tasked as escorts and so forth, but they do not even have a 3d model. Could these be the ghost planes talked about before. Also, I will check if they can be flown.

Bukken · Post by **Bukken** » 2002-07-14 20:10:00

Install of the second ODS went perfect,
Campaign starts in the darkness of night( very nice) and the comb. army forces sit on their but and sit and sit, after 2 hour's they are still sitting on their buts, after 4 hours no movement at all ( on the theater map). The Iraki forces are also sitting on their buts.
Daylight come's and no movement at all, I also can not move the comb.army's divisions with my mouse. Strange thing is that the intel screen shows that there is actual combat between irak and the comb. forces.
should I reinstall?

Bukken

I did a re-install that solved the problem

bukken out

87th_striker · Post by **87th_striker** » 2002-07-14 20:19:00

Since Iran is closely tied to China with their Silkworm missiles ( http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/iran/missile/mushak.htm ), one would suspect that their SAM systems alss would include some Chinese systems. Maybe this one : http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/russia/ai ... mu.htm#prc ? or this one from Russia: http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/russia/ai ... 300pmu.htm ?

From FAS:
Iranian President Rafsanjani announced on 11 October 1997 that Iran had test-launched a major new surface-to-air missile system with a range of 250 kilometers. Although no further details have been forthcoming, the description of the missile was generally similar to the Russian SA-5, which is deployed in Iran. Various reports suggest that Iran has acquired four HQ-23/2B (CSA-1) launchers and 45-48 missiles, along with 25 SA-6 and 10-15 SA-5 launchers.

Anyway, they would have learned from the war with Irak, and the shootdown of the muslim pilgrim passenger plane, that you would need good airdefense to retaliate against or attack enemies close to their borders.

Iran’s developement of their own helicopter, combat jets (enlarged F-5 ?), missiles etc shows they are spending a lot on their defense. I guess the later types Mig’s or Su’s will be flying there soon.

The greatest enemy to Iran, is of course itself. This weeks news about a religious head person in the leadership, leaving and criticizing the hard religious rule on the country, might cause new uprising in the country.

carlbr · Post by **carlbr** » 2002-07-14 20:45:00

Hi,
Just ran some tests with the Mirage. Could not get to fly it but I noticed that besides not having a 3d model, there are no weapons, hardpoints, or an icon for the 2d map. Just a couple of observations.

Malc · Post by **Malc** » 2002-07-15 18:24:00

Initial Impressions...

Installation was flawless on my Win2K SP2 machine, likewise on a Win98SE machine - excellent.

Flew 12 hours non-stop on the Win2K machine, Operation Desert Storm lying an F-16 for the 666th, and had only one CTD in the period. This CTD occurred after using the "8" key to browse through friendly flights.

Noticed while engaging a flight of F1 Mirages the 3D models for the Mirage was not there at all (no idea why) but other than that, it was very good flying!

Bit of a shock to see 500 mile round-trip taking up around a third of the length of the map, but pleasant shock all the same.

Will report more as (if) I find it, but initially more than impressed. Great Work Snake Man!

PS - Better keep this private for a while yet, cos as soon as it gets out, you're likely to get 1001 messages per hour which read..."When's V1.0 coming!?"

RobC_F4 · Post by **RobC_F4** » 2002-07-15 19:38:00

Uninstall of previous ODS Beta went OK, new install NoProb as well, "theaters.lst" checked before / after. Windows Program "Menu" needed no fixing either. I now have default Korea, ODS Beta, Bakans Beta and Dog Fight. Theater switching between all tested and OK. Quick IA in ODS also NoProb. Next: set up a "tourist sight see" TE and go try fly the whole area. (O/S: Win 2K)

BTW: New Kneemap is really WOW!

Thanks Red Dog!

Later - Rob