What do I know about theaters? (not much heh)

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What do I know about theaters? (not much heh)

Post by Snake Man »

Hi guys.

The some of you who have been working with me and/or chatting with me on the IRC #falcon4 (stop by there btw) know already that I'm going to take a summer vacation this year. Last summer (year 2000) in my part was dedicated totally to f4 theater building, now you might think I just did lot of theater work, wrong... I did nothing except theater work. It was pretty insane staying up all night tiling and doing other stuff like that day after day when my friends were having fun in the sun. I did NOT have much time for summer fun activities (only few weekends) so this will be now corrected in the coming summer.

I'm gonna be out of the "hard" theater work for at least most of May and until September / October, depending really how the summer turns out. So it might be around six months of vacation time for me.

What do I do in the summertime?
Well I dont want to bother with the hard work getting my hands dirty with f4 theater stuff. I will be however coordinating tiling on upcoming Opeartion Desert Storm theater (same as T-Bone's F4ME). I will be limitedly answering my falcon4 emails, but please do not get offended if you do not receive prompt answer. Most likely I'll answer all emails I get, but depending on the complexity of the answer it might take a looong time to get reply. I can put together Installers for new theaters, but again please dont get mad if this is extremely slow process I'll do it when I feel up to it (if these new theaters needing installers come up in the summer). Time to time I will be idling around on IRC #falcon4 and also slowly reading PMC TFW (this) forum but please dont expect prompt posts for questions. Basically I want to take my mind off from the falcon stuff.

Status of the PMC TFW theaters?
Vietnam is basically on hold until the summer is over. At this moment (before vacation starts etc) I'm putting together new beta release for it but its not certain it gets released, v0.4 works pretty decent with the campaign update. I have some plans on upgrading Vietnam to Spherical map and 128 segment size, but thats WAY into the next winter, most likely early 2002 - if it happens.
Operation Desert Storm (ODS: the 128 theater) continues to be tiled as there is so much to do, we only now almost cover the 64 segments of the map, still too much to go... The campaign is under work and there might be some issues with the 128 fixed engine of eFalcon v1.09 - remains to be seen. ODS beta 1 is a question mark, will it be public or internal beta will be decided in next few weeks. If you definitely want to get this theater, I suggest you post it to the ODS forum to let us know, currently there is not such post happening...

Hmm thats about it for the background, now for the business at hand. Currently our PMC TFW tutorials are in bad shape, I have already been updating the tutorials and they will be reflecting the Spherical Conversion for terrain creation and (I think) decent campaign building. Tiling guide hopefully will be a bit updated too. The F4Patch theater installation is the ONLY way to do it these days, but here is the problem: the f4p + installshield system is extremely complex and I'm having hard time understanding it myself so how could I produce nice tutorial for it? sigh. We could try of course, might give some idea to the f4 theater builders.

The summer is a long time and dumbass like me will surely empty my head on the heat of the sun Image - right now it would be good idea to pump out whatever information I have, to the forum/tutorials here so you guys can enjoy it. C'mon I dont know much but at least that amount I do know, I want to share it with you so if/when there will be new theater builders in the summertime, they can benefit from it.

So lets now start by you guys asking me bunch of questions regarding Spherical Converter making the terrain files from DEM data... Creating campaign, how to avoid CTD's and such... How does things work in TacEdit and such... Also tiling, texture.bin and textures itself... Anything you can think off... all you can get out of me, I'm here to try answering what I know or to tell I dont know - which ever is the case Image

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You going fishing up in Finland eh? Image
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No fishing for me.

Well here is a dir I made for you guys to take a sneak preview of the upcoming tutorials, as you see these are HIGHLY PREVIEW stuff and not nearly complete. Only terrain and texture stuff is in the dir at the moment. Anything you dont understand or see missing, please be so kind and post a message about it. Thanks.

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Post by Widowmaker »

Tutorials are looking good

maybey some more extension on the pal creation...like you dont need to use every single tileset its paletta when some texturesets use the same paletta.
and you might wanna add some paletas more often when they are very important in your theater...like desert in ODS/ME

and while making tiles I reccomend not to use to many diferent paletas..the less you use the better will the Ttiles(fartiles) look

I'll take the time and make a more coherent pal creation tutorial soon

also when making tiles I advise to use a truecolor skyfix...like tbones platinum skyfix at 15.00 ...

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Post by sparks1 »

Snake, You and the other guys have been so helpful, I'm just going to wait for the updated tutorials....Of course, I'll read the posts on this forum and continue the learning process. I'm going to continue work on the Solomons through the summer, I doubt I'll be ready for anything beyond that.If I DO get it done, I've already picked another area to work on, so I'll be busy!! In the meantime, enjoy your vacation!!! And thanks for all the help you've already given!!
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Don't let the summer go by without
enjoying it. We can get back to all this
when the days are short and the nights
are long. Nam turned out better than
expected, IMO it has achieved its objective, although further refinement is always a good thing. Hopefully ODS will be just as
good.

BTW who makes the best tutorials?
Manfred does. I leave this up to you, but
maybe you could drop him a few tacedit secrets that he could post for us mortals.

[This message has been edited by brewskie (edited April 21, 2001).]
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Snake,

Thank you for all the hard work and effort you have made to help all of us out here. As a junior member I am very appreciative of all the time you have offered up. Enjoy the summer.!
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err...you deserve the vacation. Image
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I've started to write the Campaign tutorial, let me know if some of you have any luck using it Image

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I'm now on summer vacation, but I'll be reading this forum from time to time. My vacation ends... well no later than next winter, really depends on the summer.

Be nice Image

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Post by Widowmaker »

Have a good time Snake

hope it is going to be a long warm summer Image

you deserve it Image

I hope that by the time you end your vacation I have a beta version for Iceland ready...(no vacation for me..had one three years ago)


Have a good time...and be sure to post a picture from your Beetle..lol


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Can I appear really stupid and ask... is the PMC Desert Storm and T-Bones Middle East theater actually one and the same...?
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PMC ODS is 128 map, covering Israel, Gulf area, and some Iran land.

T-bone is planning to release a smaller one, 64 map, focus on Iran thing.
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Hi guys!

Yes its me, from my summer vacation Image

I had to stop by as the news in Simhq.com reported some 3d model importing breakthroughs and guess what... link to PMC TFW forum! That was nice to see heh.

This was the first time I stopped by here at the site, my activites with theaters have been 0% since I left. Havent even seen the theater files or anything related...

I must say that I miss all you guys, by reading some nice f4 news and this forum I already got that "Me and my buddies are Falcon 4.0 Theater builders!" feeling back to me Image Its so nice to catch up on you guys, you truly keep the f4 spirit alive, thank you.

Ok I'm heading out again, if anyone need desperately something from me as in site update or anything, you can email me. I'll check the email every now and then.

See you and have fun, I certainly will! Image

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Hey, SM, some time, very nice to hear from you again...
Yeah, 3d breakthrough is here, its not the easiest thing ever yet, although it will be after new LOD edit will be released.

New models are comming in, ccc is making a whole bunch of quality ones, expetially the Mig 15, im trying to make the F105, so hehehe, we are gonna have a new vnam theater soon, hey, i gotta show you some day the new vnam tiles.

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well well well..You should shorten your vacation, too much sun-exposure is susceptible to risk of melanoma,, so, back indoor, power up your machine... Image Image Image
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How about you guys visit the #falcon4 irc channel on the server irc.newnet.net - I'm trying to hang around there now.

You can also use www based client at least from www.f4community.com

See you there.

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Since a few weeks I cant log in nomore
through irc proggie

through f4c i manage to get trough once in a milion times.. Image

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ok.. finally found my way back after 2 weeks
when newnet was down I changed the server
forgot to change it back to newnet..

stupid me.. Image

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