F4 Tiles database

[87th_striker]

So much is happening around terrains now, that someone should take on the responsibilty of gathering all the tiles into one updated downloadable database.

Can PMC TFW take this task ?

[ccc]

quote:Originally posted by 87th_striker:
So much is happening around terrains now, that someone should take on the responsibilty of gathering all the tiles into one updated downloadable database.

Can PMC TFW take this task ?

Hi Striker,
First, Snake Man will be back online in days. will see if he want to take this.
second, new tiles are properties of creators/converters. I think exchanging could be arranged, in privacy?

[Death_119]

I'm with CCC, only the creators have the right to publish those. and all exchange should be made in privacy.
BTW
CCC what about Falkland??? any news from your project???

[Com_gp]

Widowmaker told me once he was going to do a database with all the tiles, i agreed with him to give him my tiles, i dont know much about it since then

[Widowmaker]

Well Com_GP I only discussed this with you
and yes I'm still for it

yet all tilemakers should agree on putting their tiles on that site
Guys like Tbone and the like spend hours and hours on creating these tiles and should be contacted first
other people should do complete texture.bin
for those tiles, and we also (in case of flightsim2000) request permision to use those tiles too

(This is how i agree with CCC Death_119)

for instance if someone have made a texture.bin one time for a certain tilegroup
it's a waste of time for another group to do the same thing again
the same counts for tiles themselves
ofcourse the creators should be credited

All this could be done through a egroup
or a site

87th_striker request is a sane and solid proposal
and I think it would benifit the whole F4terainmaking busines

Widowmaker aka Metalhead

[ccc]

Hi Death_119,

Falkland theater need some breakthrough to make it alive. Like what i said before:
1.landable carrier, at least.
2.moving ground units in campaign
3.moving ships and shipborne weapon.
4.new 3d models/pit.

Without these breakthroughs, theater can go no where.

Im waiting news from 3d hacking guys.

[Snake Man]

Downloadable Falcon 4 new tiles database is very good idea.

If you guys are wondering that the new tiles made by F4ME, Balkans, etc is property of the creators... well after they release the tiles with the theater, every person on the internet can download them and use how they please. Nobody can stop it, its not possible.

Only thing that would be nice to do, would be require a greetings/crediting of the original tile creators, everything else is wishful thinking.

Anyways, you guys should figure out can the download be only available with H tiles and fartiles palette, because if we add ALL tiles (H, M, L and T tiles) the download package will be rather large. Mine "Runtiles" system greates the other tiles but I'm always looking for better even more automated and simplified system to do the job.

Any thoughts?

PMC TFW
Snake Man

[CAG]

I dont agree on the New Tiles being owned only by the creator. The tiles all of us are generally using either come from F4, USAF, E2000, etc so they are all basically owned by the Sim developers themselves but WE are taking them and using them and changing them. They should all be the communities to own and use as the community sees fit. You start this "its mine only" stuff and you can forget about fully developing this sim to max potential. Its the community that makes all this development possible in the first place. I dont see Julian Onions saying you cant use his tools becasue he developed them....

You cant have your cake and eat it too.......

[Com_gp]

hey CAG... what do u mean with

"The tiles all of us are generally using either come from F4, USAF, E2000, etc "

If creating tiles would be so easy everybody could do it himself without no problem and no database, but actually it takes a long long time to make them.
i think you are right about Julian tools, if he hadnt created those I probably wouldnt be writing this.
Im agree with a creation of tiles database and i dont mind about sharing my tiles but the problem is that if everybody uses exactly the same tiles it will be like flying the same tipe of terrain with diferent mountains, i think the tiles database is good as a starting point for someone who just have started in a terrain theatre project but if he wants to do a good theatre and something different he probably will have to make new tiles.

As a conclusion i think that it would be cool just as "ccc" says,

in privacy
Writing an email to the owner of the tiles

it takes less time for somebody who wants some tiles to email and ask him if he can borrow them than making a whole new web page.

As an idea i think it would be cool a web page with many screenshoots of the place where where the tiles are located, the information about those, and the email of the guy who owns them.

This is an easy web page to do, the tiles creators who wanted to share their tiles could post all of the information, screenshoots and his email there, anyway, this is just an idea.

ComGP

[ccc]

agree with Com_gp.
it takes lots effort to "produce" those tiles, even with sat photos.

BTW, comgp did you make any Vnam rice paddy tiles? the terrain image in J/USAF is too bad for conversion.

[Com_gp]

Hey, ccc, i havent done any rice tiles yet (my terrain is all desert), I read about a couple of days ago about you asking snake man to make some rice tiles for the vnam theatre, yeah, i really agree with you about the velocity sesation at low alttitude and it would be cool to have some new tiles for vnam, i also agree about the vietnam terrain in USAF, It sucks, its like flying kind of a green paste of something.
I dont know how to do rice padies but it is not much problem, i have many Louisiana satellite pics and from what ive seen i think it looks pretty close to vietnam, its not much problem to do some new tiles for Vietnam, just need three or four weeks, so if Snake_man wants me to do it i will do it very pleased.

[Snake Man]

quote:Originally posted by Com_gp:
I dont know how to do rice padies but it is not much problem, i have many Louisiana satellite pics and from what ive seen i think it looks pretty close to vietnam,
if Snake_man wants me to do it i will do it very pleased.

Well ok I think there is some rice paddy tiles left from the egroups "F4tilemaking" group, done by T-Bone or... was it someone else, heh cant even remember anymore, must dig my directories to find them.

Anyways, before any tiles for Vietnam Theater is done we need to establish good batch of actual (war time) photographs for reference. I'm always wondered does the aerial view of Jungle and Forest be much different.

Even so, will jungle vs Korean Forest tiles be much different

But to answer your guestion, yes I can have some ricepaddy tiles for Vietnam. But lets really coordinate the tilemaking effort, I do not want to cause any unecessary work to anyone.

PMC TFW
Snake Man

[ccc]

dont worry, we'll do some sample tiles for evaluation, then make decision.

[Com_gp]

Hey, ok, i wont do any tiles at the moment, maybe i do some as templates as "ccc" says just to see what do you think, whenever i have some screenshoots i ll post them here, right now im busy with my job.

ComGP

[CAG]

Most of my tiles for the PRC/ROC theatre are new.. some are from other sims while others are adapted korean tiles. Yet I still think that all tiles should be open to any ones use once the original creator has published his theatre....

I am truly disappointed in how some of you feel about this subject. Its a shame your not all more open to pooling your resources and developments. Makes me want to second guess as to whether I should be doing anything at all in F4 if this is a true cross section of how the real community functions for this sim....

[T Bone]

Yep, those were my tiles. Where the hell is Warlock0?

[ccc]

CAG,
seems you are serious about that theater..did you contact that guy i told you? or you want to start your own?

As for open-tile-database, i think all tile-makers want to share them with theater-makers, we are a community, right?
The problem is, you want to access all of them in an easier way? IMO, post you request here is enough. if tile-builder read your request, they'll decide what they can do for you.

[87th_striker]

Is this thought dead.. or should we do something more about it now.

[Malc]

My £0.02

Alot of the tiles I have for Panama are either bastardised Korea/Balkans tiles, contributions from T-Bone, or my own creations entirely.

I know I would have been screwed without the first two options, but to be honest I have for the most part just gone ahead and done what I wanted with them.

I feel (hope) once Panama gets revisited and it gets to a releasable stage, credit where its due in the readme, etc would be sufficient for the original creators.

I feel a single point of access to all tiles available would be a great idea. All my Panama tiles would certainly be made available for inclusion... it's only fair!

I expect many tiles are fully interchangable between one theater and another, so why not? It would ultimately be to the benefit of all theaters if this important resource was shared.

Woops, sorry... that was about £0.03's worth!

[ccc]

the best resouces of tiles is MSFS terrain tiles. espeically those prize-wining free tiles.

but first, we need artists volunteer to help us

[Schumi]

yep, the MSFS site ones are quite good.

I once made a test for Balkans, these were the results:





The originals are 256x256x256, resized to 128x128 in the wrong assumption Falcon wouldn't support larger resolutions

[ccc]

YEEEEEEEES!! nice shots!!