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Story!

Post by Tazz » 2001-01-02 14:06:00

Since recreating exact Mid-80s enviroment isn't realisticly possible due to a number of factors, one being the fact that at April 1985 there were more F-16A's in USAFE service than F-16C's (let alone block 50/52!), I've decided for a mid 90s setting which would require a good story. Like all theaters. Image

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In may 1989 a group of Russian "Hard liners" make a succesful attempt to remove Mikhail Sergeevic Gorbachev from power. These hardlined communist are aided by several high ranking officers of the Red Army and the leadership of the KGB and GRU who consider Gorbachev's "Perestroika" a threat to the State, insult of the Party and Politburo and an economic mismanagement resulting in general poverty among the Russian population.

Shcherbitsky, who was about to be removed from Politburo in the next big meeting in September 1989 is installed as the new 'President'.

The coup comes at a time when Sibirian Coal miners are at strike and people are protesting in Baltic States for independence. General unrest started in Georgia and Ukraine early that year.According to foreign Intelligence Agencies, the coup was triggered after the Ukrainian demand for Independence.

The coup and return of power to the conservative Communists causes the USA to disband the treaty signed during the top Summit with President Reagan in Moscow, May 1988. This treaty called for an end of the Cold War and general reduction and retreat of Soviet and American Forces in Europe.

The USA drafted a plan that include closure of bases in Europe during the 90s such as Upper Heyford (UK), Torrejon (Spain), Hahn (Germany), Zweibrucken (Germany), Rhein Main (Germany), Sembach (Germany) and Soesterberg/Camp New Amsterdam (the Netherlands) in accordance with Russian base closures in Eastern Germany and Poland.

Immediately after the coup, the USA announces to cancel the base closures and reduction of US Armed Forces in Europe.

The new Russian President, Shcherbitsky, fears a general collapse of the loyal regimes in the DDR and Poland under the pressure of mass demonstrations for more freedom and democracy. To counter the fall of these regimes, Shcherbitsky sends vast numbers of troops into the DDR to Poland to supress these demonstrations.

After violent clashes between demonstrators and Russian troops in Berlin and Warschau, in November 1989, Russia sends more troops into the DDR and Poland.

The USA responds with a massive REFORGER (Return Forces to Germany) excersize, hoping to show the new Russian leadership that the USA will not accept such oppression any longer. However the Russians claim that the DDR is threatened by the "aggressive and intimidating show of force by the USA" and announces to move the entire 4th Soviet Air Force from Poland to their war-time bases in the DDR, and sending 6 Guard Regiments from their bases around Moscow to Poland.

The USA and West Germany protest against the now almost double ammount of aircraft in the DDR and feel specially threatened by the 2 Su-27 regiments and extra 4 Su-24 regiments now based within 100 km of the West - East German border. Also the extra 6 MiG-29 regiments in Poland makes the USA feel very uneasy.

The new Russian Communist Leadership keeps the Soviet "satellite" states of Hungaria, Poland, DDR, Bulgaria, Roemania and Yugoslavia under renewed tight control. After the death of Tito, a new Soviet Loyal regime is installed in Yugoslavia and with the aid of Russian troops the "Croation freedom struggle" is swiftly oppressed, at the cost several hundred lives.

During that same year the Russian Leadership learns of Iraqi plans to invade Kuwait. Expecting direct American reaction and not eager to invite US Troops into the Mid-East which would surely undermine Soviet influence in the Mid-East, the Soviet Union manages to "pursuade" the Iraqi 'goverment' to give up their invasion plans. The CIA suspects that renewed political ties between Moscow and Iran and the threat to donate Iraq's entire order of 120 MiG-29, 20 Tu-22, 60 MiG-31 aircraft and 1800 T-80 and 2500 refurbished T-72 tanks to Iran instead greatly helped in the effort to 'convince' the Iraqi's to give up their invasion plans.

Meanwhile the renewed "Cold War" continues but seems to intensify as the years progress. As a reaction to the increasd supply of East German and Soviet MiG-29s in the DDR, the USAF updates and increases it's forces in Germany:

1993: 48th FW at RAF Lakenheath (UK) trades in their F-111Fs for F-15Es.
1994: 26th RW at Zweibrucken (Germany) trades in their RF-4C's and receives two squadrons of F-16C's, becoming the 26th FW.
1994: 52nd FW at Spangdahlem (Germany) phases their last F-4G's out, receiving a squadron of A-10A and F-16C's in return.
1995: 50th FW at Hahn (Germany) receives the first new F-16C Block 30/40 aircraft. By Mid 1995 the 26th FW, 52nd FW and 86th FW (Ramstein) are operating the new block 30/40.
1996: The 81st FW at RAF Bentwaters receives an additional A-10 squadron.
1997: The 16th Air Force at Torrejon, Spain receives an additional F-16 squadron.
1998: F-16C Block 30/40 are being replaced by the new Block 50/52 aircraft. By August 1998 all European based F-16C's are block 50/52.

During the 90s political unrest in Poland and the DDR continues. On the 6th of January 1999 the "Berlin Bloodbath" takes place. East German riot police officers refuse to take action against their fellow countrymen. Many lay off their uniforms and join in what progresses from a peaceful march into a 'people's revolution'. On direct order from Moscow, Russian soldiers open fire at the peaceful march that now exceeds 300.000 people that come together at thhe Branderburger Tor square. There are over 180 casulties and thousand wounded but the people refuse to squatter and fighting breaks out between East German police officers and Soviet soldiers. The commander of the Soviet Armed Forces in the DDR, a ruthless Afghanistan veteran, orders the attack by Mi-8 and Mi-24 helicopters to oppress this revolution with an iron first. Casulties exceed 1200 and the West is utterly shocked by the "Berlin Bloodbath".

In a reaction of the violent bloodbath, the USAF orders their UK and Spanish based squadrons to deploy to Germany. Also the 8th Carrier Air Group aboard the USS Nimitz which steams up to Wittmundhafen deploy to German bases. Two F-14D, two F/A-18C and one EA-6B squadron deploy to the German Navy base of Eggebeck. Two additional USMC F/A-18D squadrons deploy to Jever Air Base.

The 48th FW with 3 Squadrons of F-15Es deploy to Buchel Air Base. The 20th FW deploys with it's F-111 to Norvenich Air Base, their EF-111 Squadron deploys to Sembach Air Base. The 16th Air Force deploys its F-16 Squadrons to Pferdsfeld Air Base.

US Army units at Hanau, Budingen, Wiesbaden, Landstuhl and Heidelberg all phase out their OH-58s and the units there are joined by Air Cav units from Fort Rucker and Fort Hood, each deploying their AH-64 and UH-60 helicopters to Germany.

The tension rising and the stage is set for a Cold War turning hot!

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Well this is all I could come up with for now. Any good?



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Re: Story!

Post by ccc » 2001-01-02 15:02:00

Excellent Tazz, the story is well interwoven with fiction and reality.
In this case, the campaign will need less new 3d models but, the feeling of AA/AG war will be similar to a enhanced Korea war..

my 2c, the main features in this campaign will be:
1.most AA engagement is BVR. WVR could be extremely few.
2.massive armor vs armor on the ground.
3.SAM/AAAs are horribly dense and lethal.
4.low-level penetrators are everywhere.

so, It could be too hot to survive!!
In contrast, if it isnt hot enough, it wont deserve itself--the most dangerous theater in real world too Image

Hehe, honestly i prefer mid-80 style. NATO pilots could live better with less lethal AAMs. With better maneuverability, we could always GUN! GUN! GUN! Image

Anyway, campaign-making is one thing(we're on half way to discover all its secret), while terrain-making is another(we got all thru this topic). We can figure more campaigns once terrain done Image

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Re: Story!

Post by Tazz » 2001-01-02 15:14:00

Yes lets first get this terrain all done. Is it really possible to make an actual campaign for new theaters instead of 'lose' TEs? Image

Oh something just hit me.. we realllllly need T-72/T-80 models. I don't believe there are any in Falcon 4.0 because the most modern tank in Korea is the T-62. Although certain reserve units in Russia still operate the T-62, the frontline units in the DDR and Poland would surely use the T-72 and T-80 in massive numbers.


Should we also use the Czech Republic? Or would the enemy terrain then become 'too big'?


Hmmm I like that build up of forces. From the Korean campaign I know that we can atleast assign 5 to 6 distinctive skins to F-16's. Can't wait to see hordes of SP, HR, RS, ZR and TJ coded F-16's in action over Europe Image
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Re: Story!

Post by Snake Man » 2001-01-02 15:44:00

quote:Originally posted by Tazz:
Is it really possible to make an actual campaign for new theaters instead of 'lose' TEs? Image
Yes it is. I've done the both Vietnam and F4ME Mid East campaigns (actually two campaigns for F4ME).

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Re: Story!

Post by ccc » 2001-01-02 16:10:00

quote:Originally posted by Tazz:
Oh something just hit me.. we realllllly need T-72/T-80 models. I don't believe there are any in Falcon 4.0 because the most modern tank in Korea is the T-62. Although certain reserve units in Russia still operate the T-62, the frontline units in the DDR and Poland would surely use the T-72 and T-80 in massive numbers.
It wont be a problem. I'll keep in mind.
Actually Im preparing Black Eagle Image

BTW i slow down 3d modeling lately, for two reasons:
1.wait Julian to make some progress in 3d importing Image
2.refresh my memory about The Flight of Intruder, with Excellent Vnam theater and my humble a6 addons Image

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Re: Story!

Post by Snake Man » 2001-01-02 19:03:00

quote:Originally posted by ccc:
2.refresh my memory about The Flight of Intruder, with Excellent Vnam theater and my humble a6 addons Image
Great. Check out Vietnam forum for news.

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Re: Story!

Post by brewskie » 2001-01-02 23:13:00

Tazz and CCC,
Good scenario, a modern setting might be better since nuc's are not modeled well in F4. ALCM+GLCM, Pershing II's and ss-18's along with artillery tactical nuc's have been removed prior to the conflict. The communists always wanted a conventional war because they had superior numbers. Only the nuc deterant kept them from starting anything. Now that nuc's have been removed, tanks are ready to roll.
However you might want to add the nuc element at some point in the story,and i think there is a tactical nuc in F4,but it probably needs some fixing.

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Re: Story!

Post by Tazz » 2001-01-03 00:42:00

I don't think that either side would employ tactical nukes. Certainly not in 1999.

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Re: Story!

Post by JETninja » 2001-01-03 03:08:00

Great Story Tazz! Loved the mid 80's as I'm re-reading Red Storm Rising (about to launch the Submarine-Tomahawk hit on the Bomber airfields! Image ) but then we would have no Aim-120's...He He...Sparrow's only! Image

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Re: Story!

Post by Tazz » 2001-01-03 10:39:00

I 'sliced' through Red Storm Rising last week! That's how I got really inspired. Image Problem is that Tom Clancy's info on aircraft in the European Theater wasn't quite up to par but still is an awesome book.. I couldn't put it down! As the everlasting romanticus I'd love to see if Vignis and Lt. Edwards get married.. let alone see a picture of such an icelandic beauty Image

I'm now busy with Cardinal of the Kremlin, also excellent!
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Re: Story!

Post by ccc » 2001-01-03 14:52:00

quote:Originally posted by Tazz:
I'm now busy with Cardinal of the Kremlin, also excellent!
So want another Afghan(?) theater? Su24, SU25, Hind, and Laser weapon Image

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Re: Story!

Post by Tazz » 2001-01-03 15:30:00

That would be a very one sided campaign. No aircraft to shoot down! Image
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Re: Story!

Post by EA-6B » 2001-01-04 00:16:00

By the way, whats up with the story of
Tom Clancys Debt of Honor (Ehrenschuld) or his executive order (Befehl von oben). That will be great theatres, but the story of Executive Orders is made by T-Bone....
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Re: Story!

Post by Snake Man » 2001-01-04 03:41:00

quote:Originally posted by EA-6B:
but the story of Executive Orders is made by T-Bone....
Shut up! I havent yet read Executive Orders, dont you dare to spoil the plot for me. Image

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Re: Story!

Post by ccc » 2001-01-04 04:09:00

Now this thread turns into Tom Clancy talk.

should we invite him here? Image

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Re: Story!

Post by Tazz » 2001-01-04 10:54:00

That would be something cool Image Eventhough I found the aviation part of Red Storm Rising a bit lacking. Could have been better with better research.
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Re: Story!

Post by EA-6B » 2001-01-04 13:12:00

Why not, I'Ve got allot of questions on him, because the german translations are very crazy, something like "the B-25 stealth bomber" or "my father fought agaisnt SA-25 over the skies of vietnam" or " ..better than the AH-65 APACHE".

ell, if we get this carrier to work we could modell the fight agaisnt Japan. Would be very nice, F-14 vs. F-15 AMRAAM vs. AMRAAM.......
Well, I got his email adress Image , but don't no what do do with this thing

But I agree with the red storm rising thing, but then we need P-3 (for killing the KURSK and RED OCTOBER ) and TOmahawks against heavily defendet russian airports.... Well, that would be cool, when ICELAND is in this theatre so you can fight a small battle with 20mm against russian ships.......

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Re: Story!

Post by Tazz » 2001-01-04 13:22:00

Well those most be translation mistakes because I didn't recall wrong designations in Red Storm Rising.

I can forgive the including of the F-19A "Frisbee" Stealth Fighter because up to 1988 it was popular belief that the F-19A did exist and was the current "Stealth" fighter of the USAF. Back then Stealth fighters were heavily classified and the F-117 were still operating out of the 'secret' base of Tanopah Range (spelling?).

However the main Soviet air attacks were carried out MIG-23's but it could be that the MIG-29s were destroyed on the ground earlier in the war. Also the shooting down of the E-3 AWACS by MiG-23's is somewhat unlikely. Even at low level they would have spotted the MIG-23s long before they could get close. Also the main air attacks at Iceland were conducted by unescorted F-111s, B-52s and F-4G's. The F-4's would not only do SEAD but also escort the bombers. First of all, the NY ANG does not operate the F-4G, the only guard unit to do so was the Idaho ANG out of Boise. Second, these raids would have been escorted by F-15's out of Langely AFB and Eglin AFB. A pity he didn't put more thought into that but overall a very smashing book.

The problem with the lack of P-3's is that....there's absolutely no ASW warfare in Falcon 4.0 whatsoever. We don't even have Submarines! Image
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Re: Story!

Post by 87th_striker » 2001-01-04 16:10:00

The subs are submerged, Tazz

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Re: Story!

Post by ccc » 2001-01-04 16:22:00

check HDR file with f4browse, you'll find there are slots for SLBM, Mk46 torpedo, S3, P3, Kilo, etc. MPS didnot complete it.

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Re: Story!

Post by Tazz » 2001-01-04 16:46:00

What a shame... imagine going subhunting in a P-3! "Got a contact on number 6, possible Sub classified as a Victor III!" "match and set bearings" "SET!" "Launch!"
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Re: Story!

Post by 87th_striker » 2001-01-04 20:09:00

I think P3's out of sigonella were among the first planes to fire in the Kosovo campaign. SLAM of course. Might also been Harpoons, too.

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Re: Story!

Post by ccc » 2001-01-05 03:05:00

quote:Originally posted by 87th_striker:
I think P3's out of sigonella were among the first planes to fire in the Kosovo campaign. SLAM of course. Might also been Harpoons, too.
What? P3 fire any weapon in Kosov conflict?

BTW Tazz, i think the sub-hunting could be done someday, if we use "invisible" shape to simulate submerge one, swapping with a solid surfaced one. Of couse the simulation of ASW wpn and sesnors could be a problem.

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Re: Story!

Post by JETninja » 2001-01-05 05:24:00

Tazz, I've read them all numerous times....in the last chapter now...work keeps getting in the way! Image

If you liked the small armor part, another author who's name I forget writes a full book on the armor side of the war.....

The later book "Sum of All Fears" I think it was called, war with Japan....that was a good one.....loved the taking out of the 767 AWACS....He He... I was briefly on that program in the early stages when I spent a year at the Boeing Everett Plant.....but the massive superiority he gave the Japanese in Technology bugged.....I just don't see that happening....

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Re: Story!

Post by ccc » 2001-01-05 05:56:00

Sparrow is enough.
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Re: Story!

Post by 87th_striker » 2001-01-05 10:21:00

Just a small correction on the Tom Clancy stuff. Last book is all new and is called: "The Bear and the Dragon". Just read it....

Involves SU27 fights and other stuff. Was written before Global Hawk was selected instead of Dark Star.

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Re: Story!

Post by Tazz » 2001-01-05 10:32:00

Subs. hmm I dunno. Without sonar equipment, MAD detectors... It wouldn't be really the same. Personally I wouldn't make this the top priority in Falcon 4.0.

Let's try to fix those silly looking props on C-130's etc before we start inserting P-3's into the game. Image
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Re: Story!

Post by JETninja » 2001-01-06 02:50:00

quote:Originally posted by ccc:
Sparrow is enough.
Too many smart wpns simply disrupt the fun of close-in aircombat Image
He He...that's why I fly so much CFS/CFS2!!! Image

And like F4, they keep getting better every day!!!!!

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