New 3d toys? XXII

mirv · Post by **mirv** » 2003-07-17 17:19:00

YAY, someone finally modeled the SA-4's Pat Hand radar. Hard to find pictures of that one.

Pantsyr-S1 system looks good. You can tie the 2S6 HOT SHOT radar/missile data to it and it should be good to go.

Swede · Post by **Swede** » 2003-07-17 18:55:00

CCC, nice to see a Viggen in Falcon.

Please turn the insignia the right way (180 deg)

87th_striker · Post by **87th_striker** » 2003-07-17 20:34:00

http://hem.bredband.net/andahr/Viggen_Project.html

for references

ccc · Post by **ccc** » 2003-07-18 00:12:00

Pat hand is so cool a vehicle, once i found the pic and line drawings, can't resist to make one for myself -- you can hardly find it in any sim, or plastic kit

..alright it will be fixed..in JA model.

ccc · Post by **ccc** » 2003-07-18 00:27:00

quote:Originally posted by mirv:
Pantsyr-S1 system looks good.

its not Pantsyr, its Roland on MAN vehicle,
http://www.army-technology.com/projects ... land1.html

Actually seveal roland vehicles are done, the Roland-marder, roland-MAN, and Roland-AMX. will add Roland-trailer.

hc_pookie · Post by **hc_pookie** » 2003-07-18 14:53:00

Pic of the Pat Hand radar:
http://www.aeronautics.ru/img/img004/sa4-poland-03.jpg
http://frankkarsubke.de/rls.htm

(plastic model pic

http://mitglied.lycos.de/azerbst/tla/p40.html

aka "1S32 Krug" radar...

ccc · Post by **ccc** » 2003-07-18 15:38:00

Excellent links!! thanx a lot!

with long track in DB, SA4 battery is complete.

now..any good pic for SA-5 guidance radar?

hc_pookie · Post by **hc_pookie** » 2003-07-18 16:37:00

Sure, let me see what surfing Yahoo will get me. Up on FAS, it appears that there are several radars for this system...
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/russia/airdef/s-200.htm

So, I suppose we need to find what's missing, then hit them all.

Found this already:
http://www.aeronautics.ru/radru.htm

I remembered something - here's a BIG problem with radars in Falcon4... the way radars are modelled, there is only ONE object in the Unit that is the Radar vehicle. So, we can't model the different Tracking/GCI/Search radars like we need to. BIG problem... what to do about it?

Jester87 · Post by **Jester87** » 2003-07-18 17:07:00

asdf, nice stuff!

mirv · Post by **mirv** » 2003-07-18 17:31:00

I don't know what would be the best way, but even to just have the vehicles in the batallion is a good thing. What would be ideal is if many or all of the generic "radars" in the theater(s) could be replaced with appropriate EW/GCI radars (ie, Spoon Rest, Tall King, Side Net, Long Track, Thin Skin, etc--simulating at the regiment level). So what you'd have is EW/GCI at each of these EWR sites sharing info with the batallions, or something to this affect.

quote:Originally posted by hc_pookie:
Sure, let me see what surfing Yahoo will get me. Up on FAS, it appears that there are several radars for this system...
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/russia/airdef/s-200.htm

So, I suppose we need to find what's missing, then hit them all.

Found this already:
http://www.aeronautics.ru/radru.htm

I remembered something - here's a BIG problem with radars in Falcon4... the way radars are modelled, there is only ONE object in the Unit that is the Radar vehicle. So, we can't model the different Tracking/GCI/Search radars like we need to. BIG problem... what to do about it?

mirv · Post by **mirv** » 2003-07-18 17:38:00

Btw CCC

Are these models going to be available to F4UT?

I've heard a lot of talk about modelers not wanting to share their models with F4UT, in fear of F4UT "selling" to G2i. I can tell you that is not the case, nor has it ever been. I have no idea what lead FreeFalcon to those conclusions. There will be no selling of anything, nor letting them use this stuff.

The modelers are encouraged to copyright their work, thus making it illegal for G2i. And besides, if G2i wanted our models (which they dont--more on that in a sec) they would just take them from FreeFalcon or whatever we released, it's not hard. A modeler (Mike Rivers) emailed G2i about not using his models and they said "that's ok, we don't need them, we have our own". So no worries there.

I hope that, if you're not, you will make these available to F4UT so we can have more accurate SAMs. I, personally, am tired of all of the splits in the community. If F4 is to survive, we need to work together. Thanks.

-mirv

hc_pookie · Post by **hc_pookie** » 2003-07-18 18:12:00

quote:Originally posted by mirv:
I've heard a lot of talk about modelers not wanting to share their models with F4UT, in fear of F4UT "selling" to G2i.

Um, I certainly hope you're yanking my chain... is THAT why FreeFalcon is its own group? I thought that it was just a bunch of the art guys making a big graphics addon... please say it isn't so? I certainly HOPE that FreeFalcon isn't in the business of making a new data patch - remember all the "RPG/eFalcon" patch compatibility headaches?

quote:A modeler (Mike Rivers) emailed G2i about not using his models and they said "that's ok, we don't need them, we have our own"

Would anyone really believe that they would even NEED to lift models from other sources? Seems totally illogical, if they are making a new 3D engine (and why would they not???) that they would need 5-year old 3D models. Just doesn't make sense.

quote:If F4 is to survive, we need to work together

Well said! This is totally destructive for the future. Let us not forget the *sillines* of the RPG vs. eTeam days. I am so glad that F4UT has survived so long as it has. I hope we can all get along... please?

PMC Youtube channel · Post by **Snake Man** » 2003-07-18 18:29:00

Careful... careful...

PMC Tactical Fighter Wing Falcon 4 Theaters Headquarters has always been and always WILL BE politics free falcon 4 location.

When others yap about soap opera bullshit, group A this, group B stole that, etc... we build theaters.

In other words, I dont want to hear anything else except true falcon development stuff in this forum. If you want soap opera crap there is tons of other forums.

hc_pookie · Post by **hc_pookie** » 2003-07-18 19:49:00

Sorry Snake,

Didn't mean to come across as a soap-opera! I have this really bad feeling in the pit of my stomach, like from the old days - I've been out of the loop for so long I'm really not sure what's going on these days, so I'm just fishing for info really. Sorry for the spam.

- Jerry

mirv · Post by **mirv** » 2003-07-18 21:54:00

Noted. Sorry Snake. I hate all the politics too. It gets old. I just hope that we all can enjoy these new models, and not one particular group, that's all.

-mirv

87th_striker · Post by **87th_striker** » 2003-07-19 15:35:00

CCC/Mirv

This guy was hit by a Roland on a MAN truck, like modeled.
From Defenselink:
Thunderbolt Over Baghdad, 'Pilot-Dude' Down in the Countryside
By Jim Garamone
American Forces Press Service

WASHINGTON, July 16, 2003 – Air Force Maj. Jim Ewald had just finished a close-air support mission over Baghdad when his A-10 Thunderbolt II was hit by an Iraqi surface-to-air missile April 8. It physically moved the plane "like the hand of God," Ewald said during a Pentagon interview July 16.

Ewald is a pilot with the 110th Fighter Wing out of Battle Creek, Mich.

The surface-to-air missile came up from the southwest, and Ewald said he never saw it. But he had no doubt a missile had hit him. "I could see a reddish glow on my cockpit instruments from the fire behind me," he said. His second thought was that he had not been wounded.

It was then that the airplane departed from controlled flight. "That's just the way we say I was trying to fly the airplane one way, but the airplane was off doing its own thing," the Michigan Air Guardsman said.

Ewald was soon able to regain control. "I was very fortunate to be flying this mission in an A-10, because had I not, I would have bailed out right there," he said. "My next thought was 'I don't want to bail out right over Baghdad or I'm going to be in it deep.'"

He and his wingman headed out of Baghdad and sought American lines. "It was physically hard (to fly the plane), Ewald said. "I was manipulating everything with all the muscles in my body. I had flight control problems, I had engine problems, I had fuel-flow problems, I had hydraulic problems … not to mention that I had an airplane that was disintegrating. I looked back once and I could see little parts falling off the engine and I thought, 'I really don't know what that is, but I think I need it.'"

As he continued south, he lost one of the engines completely and he ejected. "The ejection seat was packed by one of my new best friends out of Boise, Idaho, and it worked perfectly," Ewald said.

After he hit the ground, he mistook the 30 mm rounds cooking off in the airplane for incoming Iraqi fire. He ran to hide in a dried canal behind some reeds. He heard engine noise, and hoped that the vehicle was American. "I knew the 3rd Infantry Division had been in the area, but I didn't know if it was still there," Ewald said.

There was Fedayeen Saddam paramilitary still running around, he said, and he couldn't see very well. "I heard one yell in English, but I thought maybe this guy went to language school," Ewald said. "Then I heard another voice yell in English, 'Hey, pilot dude. Come out. We're Americans.'"

There was no mistaking the accent, he said. "He sounded like your typical 19-year-old American," the pilot-dude said. "I thought that's something you don't learn in language school."

The soldiers were from the Army's 54th Engineer Battalion, and they had seen Ewald eject. They arrived some 10 to 15 minutes after he hit the ground, he said.

Ewald went back to the 110th and was back into the cockpit in 48 hours.

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Jul2003 ... 07166.html

So it seems that the A-10 can take one Roland. Btw, the Roland info was taken from somwhere else, Jane's or AFM.

Daws · Post by **Daws** » 2003-07-23 22:42:00

ccc · Post by **ccc** » 2003-07-24 04:55:00

Daws, unable ot view your pic.

BTW, can't find A10 pit 3ds file. maybe Ripper or Quake keep the zip i sent them long time ago. my pit zips always contain original 3ds.

Daws · Post by **Daws** » 2003-07-24 05:49:00

Really don't know why you can't view the pic, try this: http://daws.ngi.it/F104_2.jpg
But it's nothing special, than a simple shape of an F-104. Now its time to go trought details, and the work become harder :p

ccc · Post by **ccc** » 2003-07-24 06:35:00

Daws, i can't access that pic, please send me a copy.

you'll receive a f104 lod i sent to Quake a while ago, have a look. it's upgrade from my old model(the one in SP3), with 16-faced cylinder and DOFed canopy. undercarriage and wings left to be upgraded.

87th_striker · Post by **87th_striker** » 2003-07-25 10:07:00

CCC !

Do you have any special forces vehicles from OIF in your collection ?

Unimogs , Land Rovers, LR Perenties, Pinzgauers, Armed Hummers... etc

All armed with 30 cal and 50 cal machine guns or 40mm grenade launcher ? Some might have TOW or MILAN, too.

It seems that the special forces contributed quite a lot in western Iraq.

Tazz · Post by **Tazz** » 2003-07-25 10:49:00

CCC,

Do you have a Mirage F1 up your sleeves somewhere?

ccc · Post by **ccc** » 2003-07-25 14:23:00

no, no special force vehicles modeled yet.

no, mirageF1 is not on the list. im buzy with other stuff.

ccc · Post by **ccc** » 2003-07-25 15:45:00

Thanx Pumpyhead for sharing me the pylon lods. the simple model also got a sliding canopy- unlike the complex DOFs on Pumpy's farmer, it uses one single DOF which pivoted 40ft above the canopy, 3.5degree rotation to open it backward, 2 ft. works for me. A/c like SU7, SU15, mig15/17, A6 and harrier may use this simple straight method.

Tazz · Post by **Tazz** » 2003-07-25 19:23:00

Nice CCC, very very nice

Will we see some toys of yours released in the near future like the Etendard etc?

ccc · Post by **ccc** » 2003-07-27 05:04:00

ya, they'll be released, in *3-4 weeks*. :p

Tazz · Post by **Tazz** » 2003-07-28 07:24:00

Hehe

You could say 21 - 28 days to keep it interesting :p

Are you going to release them as independent F4Patch compatible add-ons? That's how I like to see models released if possible.. independent of Falcon version etc. But I guess it doesn't work that way with CT numbers etc?

ccc · Post by **ccc** » 2003-07-29 06:56:00

quote:Originally posted by Tazz:
Are you going to release them as independent F4Patch compatible add-ons? That's how I like to see models released if possible.. independent of Falcon version etc.

i've no interest in seperate f4patch files.
However you can always extract files out of the database, once the installer is released.

Tazz · Post by **Tazz** » 2003-07-29 13:48:00

ah database.. what database ?

You're going to put these into SP4 or FF2 or a stand-alone installer-executable?

ccc · Post by **ccc** » 2003-08-02 05:05:00

Tazz · Post by **Tazz** » 2003-08-03 11:09:00

wow.

w.o.w.

W.O.W.

WOWOWOOWOWOWOWOWOWOOW!!!

Will we see this in SpX or FF-X?

Spike · Post by **Spike** » 2003-08-08 11:21:00

Umm, here are some new pics from a very old model. I apologize for the long development phase. The A, G and S models are almost done, i promise.

Tazz · Post by **Tazz** » 2003-08-08 12:18:00

Nice nice!

Not bad at all for an 'oldie

ccc · Post by **ccc** » 2003-08-08 14:01:00

Great job Spike, be sure to add a navalized version!

here's another navalization project..in progress.

ccc · Post by **ccc** » 2003-08-09 06:02:00

Spike · Post by **Spike** » 2003-08-09 07:44:00

Simply awesome. I see, you have used my improved Flanker model for the upgrade. Pivoting slots are some of the harder things to model IMO, keep it up.

Ender Wiggin · Post by **Ender Wiggin** » 2003-08-09 09:00:00

Hey Spike, i finally finished off the WCMD model, if you want it, lemme know, its gonna be included in FF2.

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