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Database editing.

Post by ccc » 2009-10-18 13:55:22

just for record.. to create realistic campaigns for this theater, timeframe is the key factor for DB modding.

1950-early 60. vehicles are about the same as 1950 korea war DB. it needs alot editing work.. if we have a dedicated 1950 korea war DB, then it can be shared with this timeframe.

late 1960 -70. vehicles are about the same as historical vietnam war DB. it needs alot editing work.. if we have a dedicated Vnam war DB, then it can be shared.

1970-late 1990/early 2000. most vehicles are available in all falcon DB versions. minimal or no DB editing work..modders can choose to use existing DB, or do some DB editing to fit this timeframe. the workload varies.

post 2005. new era, new vehicles.. needs more DB editing work.

Original falcon4 is released around 1998..so it's no doubt that default DB fits best in this timeframe = minimal DB modding work.

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Re: Database editing.

Post by derStef » 2009-10-28 21:54:37

CCC. what ground units do you think would be "worth" to add/integrate? (timeframe mid80s -2010)
same question about ships and planes..

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Re: Database editing.

Post by ccc » 2009-10-29 01:23:27

I have many models for this timeframe. ac more than 20, land and sea items too. ammo lods around 10-15.

the workload is up to DB editor/ Fred. Let him make the decision..he's the one rolling up sleeves.

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Re: Database editing.

Post by derStef » 2009-10-29 02:54:52

ccc wrote:I have many models for this timeframe. ac more than 20, land and sea items too. ammo lods around 10-15.

the workload is up to DB editor/ Fred. Let him make the decision..he's the one rolling up sleeves.
:twisted: email inbound........

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Re: Database editing.

Post by ccc » 2009-10-29 03:51:31

I'd like to reply your pm openly.

first, i like a dedicated DB for taiwan theater.

second, When you asking for models, i'd like to know who take the DB-editing job, does he have a list to add? and how many models he want to add in the DB?

Recently I heard Fred add one model for this DB. I've pm him if he want more. Being in this modding circle for years.. those who can truely do DB-editing can pm me/ask lod files easily. Please understand - DB-editors can have models from me easily..whether they want to add them is another story = tons of editing work... I've tried it and messed everything up years go, never. Just don't underestimate the work behind the scene.

here's a list..for reference.
===================USA -27
===========================
Tank - M41, M551,M24,
Tracked armor- M901, M557, AAAV, M113A1(basic, tweak), LVTP-5, M113-MRV, AAVC-7A1, M548 cargo, M548 gun truck. M2 Bradley tweak.
M901 fix. M3 halftrack.
Wheeled armor- Jeep, M35 truck. M927 truck, M934 van.
Artillery- M106, M110, M110A2, M107, M40, M7.
Airdefence- M42, M163 new build. Hawk-mobile, M3-quad 12.7 AAA. Patriot-Antenna mast group.
Support/engineer- Wolverine, M60 AVLB, M4, M9, M1 MS, M88 tweak

USSR -89
===========================
Tank - T-34(fix lod), T-54/55(new build), T-72 upg.
Artillery- BM30, D-30(new model), 2S19 new build. Be-10 recoilless ATG.
Airdefence- Snow drift(SA11/17), P14, P15, P40, PRW-9/-16 Thin skin, P-15/-19 Flat face, PPRU,
ZPU-1, ZPU-2, ZPU-4, S-60, Firecan-SON-9. Flap wheel-PRK-1, KomG 6-60.
P18 spoon rest, P10 knife rest, Back net 5N87. ST68 Tin shield,
Square pair 5N62(SA-5), SA-5 launcher(new scale), SA-2 launcher(new scale?),
SA-3 launcher(new), PRV-17, IL117,1L13 EWR,
S300P 40B6M tr and 40B6MD and 30N6 radars,
Support/engineer- Ural-375PBU, MAZ-house, Zil-131, UAZ-469 jeep,
GAZ-66, SA-2 transporter.
ATZ-10-4320, ATZ-7-4310, ATZ-22,

France -21
=========================
Wheeled armor- VAB(4x4), VAB-ATG(4x4+HOT-HJ9).
Airdefence- Cortale TELAR/Srch R,


Japan-? ( better fit Kurile theater )
=============================================
Tank - Japanese Type74, Type90.
Tracked armor- type 60 APC.
Wheeled armor- type96 APC. lighted armor vehicle LAV. Type96-HMV, HMV. Type87 armoured recon vehicle.
Artillery- Type75 SPG, type88 SSM TEL.
Airdefence- Type87 SPAAG. Chu-SAM TEL/Radar, Type 81 Tan-SAM TEL/Radar. JTPS-P9 radar. JTPS-P14 radar.
Support/engineer- Type74 large truck. Type78 ARV, Type90 ARV, Type 73 truck, Type73 command post.

China-?
=============================================
Tank - Type63 amph.tank, ZTZ-99 type99 MBT
Tracked armor- .YW531(new build), YW531 command, YW531H/534-VTT323-(Type85/89),
Wheeled armor-.WZ551(6x6 IFV), WZ551(105mm SPATG).
Artillery- .Silkworm ASM fixed launcher,Type83 152mm SPH, Type89 120mm SPATG, WZ551-120 SPMotar.
Airdefence-.DK-9 SAM(PLA), YW-531-25mm twin SPAAG. Type95 25mm SPAAG+ Radar command vehicle(PLA).


Taiwan-?
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Tank - M48H
Tracked armor- CM21 APC.
Wheeled armor- V150,
Artillery- 80mm motar, 120mm motar, LT-2000 MRLS(tw),
Airdefence- Skyguard gun/SAM/radar system, Chang-Bai phase array radar, CS/MPG-200 illuminating radar(TK SAM-tw).
Jieh-ling(Antelope) IR SAM launcher/Reloader.


APPENDIX- a/c to be added -196?
============================================
JJ-7 /mig21-UB, two seater Trainer. final 1020-08.
J-10S / PLA fighter-two seater. final 1020-08.
J-10B / PLA fighter- new nose, DSI intake upgrade. final 0605-09.
Ka-27 ASW /Russian ASW chopper
F-CK-1A IDF / Taiwanese light fighter. complex model with multi-DOFs and rough skin. complete with 3d pit and shadow lod, AAM rack. 1011-08.
F-CK-1B IDF / Taiwanese jet trainer/light fighter. complex model tweaked from single seater. 1011-08.
F-CK-1C IDF / MLU with new avonics and CFTs, final 1011-08.
AT-3A / Taiwanese jet trainer-light attacker. final 1011-08.
AH-1W / USMC attack chopper, done. texmapped by Ripsaw.
SA321 Super Frelon / French heavy chopper, 2 navy models, one Army. skinned by MadDog.
SA341/342 Gazelle / French scout-utility chopper.ITO2.
SA341/342 Gazelle-AT / French antitank chopper, (t-m and skining by Alex).
SA341/342 Gazelle-gunship / French antitank chopper, (t-m and skining by Alex).
SA350 Ecurecil / French light scout chopper, (t-m and skining by Alex).
SA365 Dauphin / French utility chopper, (t-m and skining by Alex.)
P-3C and EP-3 / USN ASW and ELINT aircraft, converted by Rick, skined by Alex. EP-3 final 0801-08.
AN-26 Curl / Russian medium transporter, final 0216-07.
JH-7 upg final 0307-09.
J-10A upg 1024-08. FF5.2
J-7E upgrade - XDOF, new small parts. 1024-08.
J-8B upgrade - ditto, 1024-08.
Su-33 upg DXM 1014-08, FF5
Q-5 upg DXM. 1017-08.
K-8 - limited XDOF upgrade 1014-08. final.
IL-76 - Russian jet cargo. converted from MSFS freeware. final 0822-06. FF5.2
KJ-2000 - PLAAF AWACS-phase radar. final 0824-06.
Tu-16/H-6A - rebuild main body and wing parts. 0216-07. / ITO2. FF5.2
Tu-16N - replaced with new chin radar fairing, add wing pylons. 0301-07.
RF-5E Tigereye - tweaked from Fred F-5E. final 1013-08.
F-5F tiger two-seater - tweaked from Fred F-5E, final 1013-08.
Y-8J - PLAN MPA. final 0302-07.
Y-8DZ - PLAN ELINT ac, final 0314-07.
Y-8 AEW - PLA disc AEW, final 0314-07.
Y-8 EW - PLA EW/ESM ac, final 0314-07.
Y-8 ECM - PLAN ECM ac, final 0315-07.
Y-8 C3I - PLA command post, final 0315-07.
KJ-200 Cub - PLA AF blance beam AWACS. final 0303-07.
H-6 variants - PLAAF/PLAN bomber/tanker. H-6D/-H/-K/-M/-U. 0305-07.
J-8D - PLAN J8 with AAR probe. 0307-07.
J-8F - upgraded with four wing fence, 0529-08.
JZ-8F - Recee variant with recon pod 0529-08.
JH-7A/FBC-1 - JH7 upgrade, twin fins, more slots. 1022-08.
T-34C turbo mentor - USAF trainer. 1022-08.
Z-9W - PLA attack helicopter. 1003-07.
F-35 - tweak Thoarek's model, DOF and switches. 1208-07.
EF-18G Growler - USN EW ac, tweak on Quake's F/A-18F model 0506-09.
T-28D Trojan - US trainer/light attacker, final 1014-08.
E-767 / JASDF AWACS on Boeing767-200, final 0812-08.
RF-5A / recee freedom fighter, final 1013-08.
E-2T Hawkeye2000 / upgrade Rick's E-2C. final 1105-08.
Z-10 / PLA attack helo, final 1111-08.
RQ-1 Raptor UAV, final 1118-08.
F-20 Tigershart / US light fighter, final 1209-08.
KC-767J / JASDF tanker, 0504-09.
JL-9 / PLA jet trainer, 1013-09.


APPENDIX- missile/weapon/pod store to be added -43===================================================

C801 / Chinese antiship missile, copy of Exocet. = YJ-8/8K/8Q.
C802 / Chinese antiship missile, turbojet-propelled. = YJ-82/82K
IRIS-T / European IR AAM. rough build.
AAM-5 / Japanese ARH AAM.
ASM-2 / japanese Type 93 turbojet antiship missile.
Gabriel I / Israeli ship-launched antiship missile.
SD-10 / PL-12 / PLA active radar-homing AAM.
Teng-Kong-2 / TK-2 AAM - Taiwanese BVRAAM.
Hsiung-Feng II / HF-2 ASM - Taiwanese Antiship missile.
Type57 rocket pod -PLA, 11 tube, 57mm
Type90 rocket pod -PLA, 7 tube, 90mm
C-601 - PLAN AShM.
KD-63 - PLAAF LACM/PGM.
DH-10 LACM - chinese copy of tomhawk. add X-switch wing/fins. 0308-07. for H-6K.
KD-88 LACM - chinese version of SLAM ER, for H-6M.
AGM-158 JASSM, final 0525-08.
SLAM-ER, final 0527-08.
GBU-30/40 - US small diameter bomb SDB, final 0606-08.
Wan-Jian SOW - Taiwanese stand-off submunition weapon for IDF, 1106-08.
Chu-SAM / Japanese medium range SAM 1108-08.
ASM-3 / Japanese supersonic ARM/ASuM 1128-08.



SHIP- 35
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FF Kang-Ding - Taiwanese La Fayette class frigate.DOFed 0211-09.
CV Kuznestov - Russian carrier. partially t-m and skining.
FFG Perry - re-structuring and DOFed, 0206-09.
FFG Cheng Kong - Taiwanese Perry, upgrade from FFG Perry, DOFed 0211-09.
FF Knox - re-structuring and DOFed 0207-09.
DDG Kidd - DOFed 0211-09.
LCM-6 / LCM-8
LCU-1600
LSD - Polnochny - Russina amphibious ship tweak 0325.
SSK Kilo - Russian patrol sub.
SS Romeo / PLAN type 033.
PTM Hayabusa missile boat tweak. ( modeling by Jumon.)
LHD Wasp - USN amphibious ship. final 0416-07.
FFG Jiangkai - PLAN stealthy frigate.
FFG Jiangkai mod - type 045A PLAN stealthy ADS frigate. 0502-09.
DDG Luhu
DDG Luhai
DDG Luyang
DDG Luyang II - PLAN agies ADS.
DDG Type 051C impproved Luhai- airdefense version.
DDG Sovremenny - Russian ASuW destroyer, 956 and 956E(PLAN).
DDG Sovremenny 956EM- ASuW destroyer upgrade with new CIWS (PLAN).
LST Ropucha - Russian tank landing ship, I and II.
LST Alligator - Russian tank landing ship.
FF4 tweak - Ticonderoga-VLS(DOFed 027-09), Spruance and Spruance VLS, (DOFed 0206-09)
PTM Dvora - Israeli missile boat.
PTM Komar - Russian missile boat - for Israeli theater. Komar vs Eilat.
FFL Grisha - ruissian patrol frigate - DOFed 0206-09.
DDG Albright Burke - USN agies destroyer, DOFed 026-09.
LST Newport - USN amphibious landing ship, 0508-07.
LST Terrebonne Parish - USN/Peru amphibious landing ship. final 0508-07.
CVN-65 Enterprise upg 0806-06.
PTM KH-6 / Taiwanese stealthy missile boat. 1107-08.
DDG Kongo / JMSDF Aegis destroyer, DOFed, 0309-09.
DDG Atago / JMSDF Aegis destroyer, DOFed, 0310-09.
LST Otsumi / JMSDF LST, 0304-09.
DDH Hyuga / JMSDF helo carrier, 0306-09.
DD Takanami / JMSDF destroyer, DOFed, 0310-09.
DD Murasame / JMSDF destroyer, DOFed, 0310-09.
FAC Type 022 Houbei / PLAN catamarine missile boat, 0331-09.
LHA Tarawa / USN amphibous ship, new hull, old WASP bridge part. 0402-09.

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Re: Database editing.

Post by derStef » 2009-11-28 20:58:49

CCC what would be the lets say 10 most important ground units?

5 most important ships?

10 most important airplanes?

which slots could the use or do they need a new slot?


THANK YOU!!!

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Re: Database editing.

Post by ccc » 2009-11-29 12:30:52

I'd like to know.. who's the database editor first.

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Re: Database editing.

Post by derStef » 2009-11-29 12:42:21

ccc wrote:I'd like to know.. who's the database editor first.

the almighty himself!


why is that important CCC?

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Re: Database editing.

Post by ccc » 2009-11-29 13:00:00

derStef wrote:why is that important CCC?
I prefer to communicate with DB editor directly - sometimes models have bugs..they have to be fixed and re-sent again and again and again between me and DB editor.

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Re: Database editing.

Post by derStef » 2009-11-29 13:05:01

but could you please let me know which models you are talking about?

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Re: Database editing.

Post by ccc » 2009-11-30 12:52:07

the list is up to you.

check these links..they tell you the items used in timeframes.. pick your favorites.

http://www.sinodefence.com/army/weapon.asp
http://www.sinodefence.com/navy/vessel.asp
http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/aircraft.asp

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Re: Database editing.

Post by derStef » 2009-11-30 13:03:44

ccc wrote:the list is up to you.

check these links..they tell you the items used in timeframes.. pick your favorites.

http://www.sinodefence.com/army/weapon.asp
http://www.sinodefence.com/navy/vessel.asp
http://www.sinodefence.com/airforce/aircraft.asp

CCC you really thought i do not know these links and these units? :?

again my friend, you totally misunderstand me here.

it is not what i think, it is about what YOU think. YOU are there, YOU have more clue about the area & Military there, than me, and young Austrian guy!!!!

I'm totally sure that you would make the better or more important choices than i do, with my limited knowledge about this area of the world..

this is all in your OWN interest to have YOUR theater as good as possible...

CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW?!?!?!? :)


THANK YOU !!!!

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Re: Database editing.

Post by derStef » 2010-01-27 10:29:59

here some overview of the finished artwork for Taiwan:



Skins: DONE
Current name (new name): Status
F-16AM-B (F-16A MLU): 1skin ROCAF plus 5 tails (Hualien Airbase Tailsskins) (by Horus)
F-16AM-D (F-16A-MLU): 1skin ROCAF plus 5 tails (Chiyai Aibase Tailskins) (by Horus)
F-16B: 1skin ROCAF plus 2 tails (Chiyai Aibase Tailskins) (by Horus)
F-16CG: 1 complete USAF skin plus 7 tails done. (by Horus)
F-16CJ: 1 complete USAF skin plus 7 tails done. (by Horus)
F-16DG: 1 complete USAF skin plus 2 tails done. (by Horus)
F-16DJ: 1 complete USAF skin plus 2 tails done. (by Horus)
F-16C+ Aggressor: 1 complete skin plus 6 tails done. (by Horus) F-16C Aggressor: 1 complete skin plus 2 tails done. (by Horus)
F-16D Aggressor: 1 complete skin plus 1 tail done. (by Horus)

F-5A: 2 complete ROCAF skins done (one grey and one aggressor) (by 611-eagle)
F-5E: 3 ROCAF skins. Done (by Horus)
T-38 (F-5B): 1 ROCAF aggressor skin. DONE. (by 611-eagle)
F-100: 1 ROCAF complete skin done. (by 611-eagle)
F-104: 1 ROCAF complete skin done. (by 611-eagle)
F-4EJ SEA: 1 JASDF blue complete skin done. (edit on original FF5.3 skin by Stef)
An-24 (Fokker 50): 1 ROCAF complete skin done. (edit on original FF5.3 skin by Stef)
F-14A/B/D: Complete rework, DONE, (by STINGRAY_SIX_TWO)
Mirage2000-5EI: 2 ROCAF skins DONE. (by Red1)
F/A-18C: 2 complete USN skins done. (by Horus)
F/A-18D: 2 complete USN skins done. (by Horus)
CF-18(F/A-18A Aggressor): 2 complete skins done. (by Horus)
F-15C: adjusted tail skin dds number, so we have only PACAF F-15Cs there. Done
F-15E: adjusted tail skin dds number, so we have only PACAF F-15Es there. Done

P-3: 1 complete JASDF Skin done. (by 611-eagle)
C-130H ROK: 2 complete ROCAF skins done. (edit on original FF5.3 skin by Stef)
C-130H: 1 light blue JASDF skin, done (by 611-eagle)
E-2T: 1 complete ROCAF skin done.(by 611-eagle)
U-2: 1 complete ROCAF skin done. (edit on original FF5.3 skin by Stef)
AH-1: ROC ARMY labels added. Done. (edit on original FF5.3 skin by Stef)
UH-1N ROK: ROCAF labels added. Done. (edit on original FF5.3 skin by Stef)
UH-1N: ROC ARMY labels added. Done. (edit on original FF5.3 skin by Stef)
UH-1D ROC ARMY labels added. Done. (edit on original FF5.3 skin by Stef)
CH-47: ROC ARMY labels added. Done. (edit on original FF5.3 skin by Stef)
UH-60L: ROC ARMY labels added. Done. (edit on original FF5.3 skin by Stef)
MD-500: ROC ARMY labels added. Done. (edit on original FF5.3 skin by Stef)
J-5: PLAAF labels instead of DPRK. Done. (edit on original FF5.3 skin by Stef)

J-7E: rework of the FF skin. Done. (by BirdDog)
MiG-21MF: rework in PLAAF sand/olive colors. WIP. (by SimonTek)
J-8: added some weathering. (edit on original FF5.3 skin by Stef)
Il-78: PLAAF labels added. Done. (edit on original FF5.3 skin by Stef)
A-50: PLAAF labels added. Done. (edit on original FF5.3 skin by Stef)
Mi-8: PLAAF labels instead of DPRK. Done. (edit on original FF5.3 skin by Stef)
Su-27SK: 2 new PLAAF skins added. (edit on original FF5.3 skin by Stef)
Su-27UB: 1 new PLAAF skin added. (bungle job by Stef. Maybe better needed)



to be continued....

BIG THANKS TO ALL SUPPORTERS!!!!!

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Re: Database editing.

Post by derStef » 2010-02-05 16:29:49

CCC, I'm sure you have also 3D modesl of RoC Weapons!

which ones do you have?

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Re: Database editing.

Post by derStef » 2010-02-10 12:24:01

need the HF-2 Antiship missile
that JSOW
and the Skysword TC-2

and at best also the Antelope SAM vehilce!!!

CCC??? are you there?
why are you so lame in supporting me? if you still have not recognized it, it will be the ONLY theater in the next where you can get some of your 3D stuff in... :roll:

THANK YOU SIR!!!


all the best

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Re: Database editing.

Post by ccc » 2010-02-10 14:24:30

I'd like to talk to your database editor first.
I've sent email to Baldeagle, if he's still working on DB, he can have the models.

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Re: Database editing.

Post by derStef » 2010-02-10 18:01:17

ccc wrote:I'd like to talk to your database editor first.
I've sent email to Baldeagle, if he's still working on DB, he can have the models.
Why? I'm the man here, all goes through me, and i spread the stuff then in the certain direction, that's how we always did it...
just send them to my email if you have them.

thank you in advance

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Re: Database editing.

Post by ccc » 2010-02-11 02:41:15

i got reply form Fred.

Three models are in your mailbox..let me see how they are inserted in the DB..by you or somebody else.

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Re: Database editing.

Post by derStef » 2010-02-11 10:22:45

ccc wrote:i got reply form Fred.

Three models are in your mailbox..let me see how they are inserted in the DB..by you or somebody else.
Roger, thank you mate! will do as soon we are on the Model DB work again.

best regards

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Re: Database editing.

Post by derStef » 2010-12-03 14:57:22

Hello CCC,

could you please send me the following Models? Would be great so i can try to get them also into my Taiwan DB!!!


CCC WISHLIST:

EF-18G Growler
JH-7 Upgrade
J-8D
KJ-200 CUB
Y-8ECM
E-2T Hawkeye
KC-767J
RF-5A
RF-5E
JJ-7
J-10B
SA321

Weapons:
AAM-5 / Japanese ARH AAM.
ASM-2 / japanese Type 93 turbojet antiship missile.
SLAM-ER, final 0527-08.


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Re: Database editing.

Post by ccc » 2010-12-03 15:50:37

Are you sure you can add and use all of them?

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Re: Database editing.

Post by derStef » 2010-12-03 17:34:54

ccc wrote:Are you sure you can add and use all of them?
I would like to give it a try...

for the models that you gave me already,.... they are already in the DB now...

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Re: Database editing.

Post by derStef » 2010-12-06 09:58:45

Hello CCC,

first of all Thank you alot for sending me the stuff!!!


what i did:

1. convert the lods into dxm via LE.
2. convert the bmps into DDs.
3. open the Dxms with DXEdit.exe, edit textures (to define new free texture slot)

problem that DXEdit.exe CTDs as soon as i assign a new texture.... OR it tells me texture can't be loaded and then it ctds...

or it CTDs as soon as i hit save....



i did the SAME way for the models that you have sent me earlier this year and it works for them, but not for the ones that you sent me yesterday.

any ideas???

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Re: Database editing.

Post by ccc » 2010-12-06 11:53:05

i am not familiar with DXE tools and latest versions of LE.
you should ask Ranger.

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Re: Database editing.

Post by 611-eagle » 2010-12-15 19:51:19

derStef wrote:Hello CCC,

first of all Thank you alot for sending me the stuff!!!


what i did:

1. convert the lods into dxm via LE.
2. convert the bmps into DDs.
3. open the Dxms with DXEdit.exe, edit textures (to define new free texture slot)

problem that DXEdit.exe CTDs as soon as i assign a new texture.... OR it tells me texture can't be loaded and then it ctds...

or it CTDs as soon as i hit save....



i did the SAME way for the models that you have sent me earlier this year and it works for them, but not for the ones that you sent me yesterday.

any ideas???


Can you add new same dds textures with LE too?
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Re: Database editing.

Post by derStef » 2010-12-16 06:49:40

611-eagle wrote: Can you add new same dds textures with LE too?

well, lets say 50-50.... lol...

seriously i'm pretty new in that 3D stuff, but sometimes it works, sometimes not... seems to depend on the model...

contact me in MSN mate.

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Re: Database editing.

Post by 611-eagle » 2010-12-26 01:30:55

I will be there.
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