Objectives file from DEM2Terrain

Sherlock · Post by **Sherlock** » 2007-04-22 21:16:43

Snake Man,
when you first produce the L2/O2 from DEM2Terrain for theaters, I was wondering what your rules file looks like? Is it the default one that comes with DEM2Terrain, i.e., :

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# rules
Type Town-2
Ids	231, 859, 1070, 1187, 1535, 1537, 1538, 1539, 1566, 1567, 1579, 1582,
Ids	1597, 1598, 1600, 1602, 1604, 1606, 1623, 1625, 1626, 1629, 1630,
Ids	1631, 1632, 1633, 1634, 1635, 1636, 1637, 1638, 1639, 1906, 1911,
Ids	1912, 1913, 1914, 1915,
Priority 50
Generates Factory 1-3

Type Town-0
Ids	1555, 1558, 1569, 1572, 1573, 1574, 1576, 1577, 1578, 1580, 1584,
Ids	1585, 1586, 1587, 1588, 1590, 1591, 1592, 1593, 1594, 1595, 1917,
Ids	1926, 1927, 1928, 1929, 1930, 1931, 1932,
Priority 15

Type Town-1
Ids	1555, 1558, 1569, 1572, 1573, 1574, 1576, 1577, 1578, 1580, 1584,
Ids	1585, 1586, 1587, 1588, 1590, 1591, 1592, 1593, 1594, 1595, 1917,
Ids	1926, 1927, 1928, 1929, 1930, 1931, 1932,
Priority 11

Type Airport
Ids 1775
Priority 60
Generates Radar 0-1

Type Factory
Priority 25
Ids	218, 230, 234, 872, 1344, 1347, 1348, 1349, 1350, 1351, 1353, 1354,
Ids	1355, 1356, 1357, 1358, 1595, 1810, 1811, 1814, 1815, 1816, 1817,
Ids	1819, 1820, 1821, 1823, 1824, 1825, 1826, 1828, 1829, 1830, 1832,
Ids	1833, 1834, 1836, 1838, 1840, 1841, 1842, 1843, 1844, 1845, 1846,
Ids	1847, 1848, 1849, 1851, 1852, 1854, 1855, 1856, 1910,
Ids	245, 1412, 1479, 1728, 1729,
Ids	230, 1441, 1720, 1721, 1722, 1724, 1725, 1726, 1816, 1910,

Type Radar
Priority 11
Ids 111

or do you run a different, "enhanced" one? If so, can I take a look at it please?

PMC Youtube channel · Post by **Snake Man** » 2007-04-22 22:06:07

I seem to have identical rules.obr in my Dem2terrain directory, didn't check the individual IDs but I'm pretty sure its just the same.

I cant recall the history and how it goes, but certainly Iran was created with this setup, but how was the objectives done for the other theaters I cannot be certain. I mean, did I use older Dem2terrain version which didn't have such rules.obr or something. I just cant recall that small info now.

Should we be able to identify the theaters objectives by looking at them, whether they are created with this config file or with TCL script (I remember we used TCL before) or even with the infamous village util?

Sherlock · Post by **Sherlock** » 2007-04-22 22:51:20

Snake Man wrote: I seem to have identical rules.obr in my Dem2terrain directory, didn't check the individual IDs but I'm pretty sure its just the same.

Is this "identical rules.obr" the one you use when you run DEM2Terrain?

Snake Man wrote: I cant recall the history and how it goes, but certainly Iran was created with this setup, but how was the objectives done for the other theaters I cannot be certain. I mean, did I use older Dem2terrain version which didn't have such rules.obr or something. I just cant recall that small info now.

Actually, I was more interested in how you did Iran specifically now that you bring it up. This is because you said in the other thread "that's the way DEM2Terrain does it" and I am trying to get down to the bottom of why there were no "TOWN" Objectives produced. I ***THINK*** it is because of the ruleset you are using but until I can see it I can't tell for sure. Can you post the ruleset (if different from the default shown above) so I can review it please?

Snake Man wrote: Should we be able to identify the theaters objectives by looking at them, whether they are created with this config file or with TCL script (I remember we used TCL before) or even with the infamous village util?

I haven't done a one for one review but the heavy evidence seems to suport that at least the majority of the objective CT#s/OCDID#s have remained the same across the different versions. Don't get me wrong I know there are examples of differences, e.g., any airbase CT# in AF greater than 3095 (OCDID# greater than 3195) is unusable because all the PD/PHD data has been erased for them. But I think those models are still used in RV and OF (Anyone please confirm or deny this with a quick check in LODEditor).

BTW, the TCL script I've found for creating objectives doesn't create the cities, towns, airbases or villages. The one I've located here at PMC was entitled "create.pak.objectives.tcl" (formerly called PAK ADDER). It creates SAM Sites, Army Bases, Depots, Headquarters and Radar Stations. The Cities, Towns, Villages and Airbases seemed to only be able to come from DEM2Terrain process...unless you know something I don't (which is very possible!

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PMC Youtube channel · Post by **Snake Man** » 2007-04-23 09:55:02

Its the same I used. Dunno why there is no towns.

Sherlock · Post by **Sherlock** » 2007-04-23 15:14:04

Snake Man wrote:Its the same I used. Dunno why there is no towns.

If you are using the default rules obr file I posted above (first post) then it is written to not create any towns because of the way the city.tdf file works.

Sherlock · Post by **Sherlock** » 2007-04-24 02:08:42

When I run the obr rules file above on the Iran data this is the type of output I get:

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 Name	 Id	 Object	 X	 Y	 Z	 Owner	 CampId	 Parent	 Priority	 FOwner
HERAT			4	1775	1780	1213	0	2	4	0	60	2
SHINDAND		5	1775	1790	1123	0	2	5	0	60	2
KALININO		6	1775	206	1980	0	2	6	0	60	2
STEPANAVAN		7	1775	218	1969	0	2	7	0	60	2
0 Radar			8	111	217	1969	0	2	8	7	11	2
BERD			9	1775	306	1960	0	2	9	0	60	2
NoName			10	1775	169	1943	0	2	10	0	60	2
0 Radar			11	111	171	1943	0	2	11	10	11	2
KAMO			12	1775	270	1899	0	2	12	0	60	2
0 Radar			13	111	269	1900	0	2	13	12	11	2
YEREVAN-YEGVARD		14	1775	223	1892	0	2	14	0	60	2
0 Radar			15	111	224	1894	0	2	15	14	11	2
METS MAZRA		16	1775	324	1880	0	2	16	0	60	2
0 Radar			17	111	326	1881	0	2	17	16	11	2
YEREVAN-PARAKAR		18	1775	208	1875	0	2	18	0	60	2
0 Radar			19	111	210	1874	0	2	19	18	11	2
NoName			20	1775	213	1872	0	2	20	0	60	2
0 Radar			21	111	215	1872	0	2	21	20	11	2
OKTEMBER HIGHWAY STRIP	22	1775	163	1867	0	2	22	0	60	2
0 Radar			23	111	162	1869	0	2	23	22	11	2
SISIAN			24	1775	339	1807	0	2	24	0	60	2
SHINUYAR		25	1775	366	1797	0	2	25	0	60	2
NoName			26	1775	372	1768	0	2	26	0	60	2
ZAKATALY		27	1775	413	2032	0	2	27	0	60	2
0 Radar			28	111	411	2034	0	2	28	27	11	2
KHACHMAS		29	1775	592	2021	0	2	29	0	60	2
0 Radar			30	111	593	2022	0	2	30	29	11	2
NoName			31	1775	451	1984	0	2	31	0	60	2
NoName			32	1775	305	1983	0	2	32	0	60	2
DALLYAR			33	1775	347	1956	0	2	33	0	60	2
SITAL CHAY		34	1775	638	1948	0	2	34	0	60	2
NoName			35	1775	377	1940	0	2	35	0	60	2
TANRYKULULAR		36	1775	422	1940	0	2	36	0	60	2
0 Radar			37	111	421	1941	0	2	37	36	11	2
KIROVABAD NORTH		38	1775	381	1940	0	2	38	0	60	2
KYRVKHLY		39	1775	409	1938	0	2	39	0	60	2
NoName			40	1775	476	1932	0	2	40	0	60	2
0 Radar			41	111	474	1934	0	2	41	40	11	2
NoName			42	1775	445	1928	0	2	42	0	60	2
0 Radar			43	111	446	1928	0	2	43	42	11	2
NoName			44	1775	496	1928	0	2	44	0	60	2
0 Radar			45	111	495	1926	0	2	45	44	11	2
KUBA KHALILLI		46	1775	529	1927	0	2	46	0	60	2
0 Radar			47	111	529	1925	0	2	47	46	11	2
NASOSNYY		48	1775	648	1924	0	2	48	0	60	2
BYGYR			49	1775	502	1917	0	2	49	0	60	2
0 Radar			50	111	503	1918	0	2	50	49	11	2
YEVLAKH			51	1775	418	1915	0	2	51	0	60	2
KYURDAMIR NORTHEAST	52	1775	542	1913	0	2	52	0	60	2
BAKU-ZABRAT		53	1775	683	1913	0	2	53	0	60	2
BAKU-BINA		54	1775	688	1910	0	2	54	0	60	2
KYURDAMIR NORTH		55	1775	532	1904	0	2	55	0	60	2
0 Radar			56	111	530	1906	0	2	56	55	11	2
BAKU-KALA		57	1775	700	1903	0	2	57	0	60	2
0 Radar			58	111	698	1902	0	2	58	57	11	2
BAKU-LOKBATAN		59	1775	655	1897	0	2	59	0	60	2
KYURDAMIR CIVIL		60	1775	528	1895	0	2	60	0	60	2
BARDA SOUTHEAST		61	1775	447	1894	0	2	61	0	60	2
0 Radar			62	111	448	1896	0	2	62	61	11	2
NoName			63	1775	529	1888	0	2	63	0	60	2
0 Radar			64	111	530	1889	0	2	64	63	11	2

This is truncated, of course, but you get the idea. All that is in the output csv file is nonames, radar and airbases.

So, somewhere, something must be different Snake Man ? Unless I misunderstood your above ? I understood you to say that the default obr rules file I posted in the first post was the one you used to create Iran....

PMC Youtube channel · Post by **Snake Man** » 2007-04-24 07:32:14

Apparently you have to specificly load the obr file to work, I never done that so it generates the default csv file then.

Sherlock · Post by **Sherlock** » 2007-04-24 15:22:38

Snake Man wrote:Apparently you have to specificly load the obr file to work, I never done that so it generates the default csv file then.

Ahh! Ok, I don't think I've ever tried it that way. Let me give it a whirl and see what I get.

Closter · Post by **Closter** » 2007-05-03 17:51:24

Something about it, Sherlock? My own without-obr run gives me nothing but Factories and Airports. I think it is good to explore your way. We could obtain plenty of beautiful objectives nearly (job-)free.

I want to explore this thing too, because we only have cities and villages this way, not towns.

Sherlock · Post by **Sherlock** » 2007-05-03 21:34:46

Closter wrote:Something about it, Sherlock? My own without-obr run gives me nothing but Factories and Airports. I think it is good to explore your way. We could obtain plenty of beautiful objectives nearly (job-)free.

I want to explore this thing too, because we only have cities and villages this way, not towns.

I tried it the way that SM described and I got the same thing he did (and which you did also). Here is one I recently did for Allied Force that produces tons of objectives (probably too many; I went through and deleted those I did not want) but on the other hand it is easier to delete than it is to create objectives.

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# Iranian Theater rules

IgnoreNoNames 1

# AEPTTYPE  (taken from maddogmcewan post at: http://forums.frugalsworld.com/vbb/showthread.php?p=1312166#post1312166 )
# Aeronautical point type. Airport feature in Codes 1 through 4 were derived from the DMA Digital Aeronautical Flight Information File (DAFIF). Where this file was 
# incomplete, data were added from the ONCs (primarily in Eastern Europe and the former Soviet Union).
#
# Code Definition for <theater>-AIRPORT.TDF file parsing by DEM2Terrain
#
# 1 = Active civil 
# 2 = Active civil and military 
# 3 = Active military 
# 4 = Other 
# 5 = Airport location added from ONC source when not available in the DAFIF

# Don't forget to add 100 to the CT numbers you got from LODEditor to get the objectives correct OCDID number for placing into this file as the "Ids"!

Type Airport-1
# Double runways
Ids	216, 219, 225, 978, 979, 980, 1497, 1499, 1516, 1779, 1805, 
Priority 50
Generates SAM_Site 0-1
Generates Factory 0-1
Generates Radar_Station 0-1

Type Airport-2
# Double runways
Ids	216, 219, 225, 978, 979, 980, 1497, 1499, 1516, 1779, 1805, 
Priority 50
Generates SAM_Site 0-1
Generates Army_Base 0-1
Generates Factory 0-1

Type Airport-3
# Single runways
Ids	216, 1509, 1772, 1773, 1774, 1775, 1776, 1777, 1778, 1780, 1781, 1782, 1783, 2065,
Priority 30
Generates Headquarters 0-1
Generates Factory 0-1

Type Airport-4
# Single runways
Ids	216, 1509, 1772, 1773, 1774, 1775, 1776, 1777, 1778, 1780, 1781, 1782, 1783, 2065,
Priority 30
Generates Depot 0-1

Type Airport-5
# Single runways
Ids	216, 1509, 1772, 1773, 1774, 1775, 1776, 1777, 1778, 1780, 1781, 1782, 1783, 2065,
Priority 20
Generates Power_Plant 0-1


# Villages and Towns
Type LABEL-1

# New Towns
Ids	1932, 952, 953, 1554, 1555, 1558, 1569, 1570, 1572, 1573, 1574,#Village Ids
Ids	1923, 1159, 1160, 1161, 1162, 1163, 1174, 1175, 1176, 1177, 1178,#Town Ids
Ids	1179, 1180, 1334, 1335, 1336, 1337, 1480, 1486, 1540, 1542, 1543,#Town Ids
Ids	1576, 1577, 1578, 1580, 1584, 1585, 1586, 1587, 1588, 1590, 1591,#Village Ids
Ids	1544, 1545, 1546, 1547, 1548, 1549, 1551, 1583, 1596, 1599, 1601,#Town Ids
Ids	1603, 1605, 1628, 1640, 1641, 1907, 1916, 1919, 1920, 1921, 1922,#Town Ids
Ids	1592, 1593, 1594, 1595, 1917, 1926, 1927, 1928, 1929, 1930, 1931,#Village Ids
Ids	1924, 1925,#Town Ids
Priority 11
Generates Army_Base 0-1
Generates Factory 0-1
Generates Refinery 0-1


# Junctions and Cities
Type LABEL-2
Ids	215, 231, 859, 1049, 1070, 1103, 1187, 1338, 1339, 1534, 1535,#City Ids
Ids	1536, 1537, 1538, 1539, 1550, 1566, 1567, 1568, 1571, 1575, 1579,#City Ids
Ids	1340, 1341, 1342, 1343, 1556, 1557, 1559, 1560, 1561, 1562, 1563,#Junction Ids
Ids	1581, 1582, 1589, 1597, 1598, 1600, 1602, 1604, 1606, 1623, 1624,#City Ids
Ids	1625, 1626, 1627, 1629, 1630, 1631, 1632, 1633, 1634, 1635, 1636,#City Ids
Ids	1564, 1565, 1609, 1610, 1611, 1612, 1613, 1614, 1615, 1616, 1617,#Junction Ids
Ids	1637, 1638, 1639, 1906, 1911, 1912, 1913, 1914, 1915, 2170, 2171,#City Ids
Ids	2172, 2173, 2174, 2175, 2176, 2177, 2178, 2179, 2180, 2181, 2182,#City Ids
Ids	2183, 2184, 2185, 2186, 2187, 2188, 2189, 2190, 2191, 2192, 2193,#City Ids
Ids	2194, 2195, 2196, 2197, 2198, 2199, 2200, 2201, 2202, 2203, 2204,#City Ids
Ids	1618, 1619, 1620, 1621, 1622, 1897, 1918, 1933, 1934, 1935, 1936,#Junction Ids
Ids	2205, 2206, 2207, 2208, 2209, 2210, 2211, 2212, 2213, 2214, 2215,#City Ids
Ids	2216, 2217, 2218, 2219, 2220, 2221, 2222, 2223, 2224, 2225, 2226,#City Ids
Ids	2227, 2228, 2229,#City Ids
Ids	1937, 1938, 1939,#Junction Ids
Priority 49
Generates Depot 0-1
Generates Army_Base 0-1
Generates Headquarters 0-1
Generates Power_Plant 0-1
Generates Factory 1-3
Generates Radar_Station 0-1
Generates Nuclear_Plant 0-1
Generates Refinery 0-1
Generates Chemical_Plant 0-1
Generates SAM_Site 0-1


Type Depot
Priority 30
Ids	233, 871, 1903, 1905, 2092, 2093, 2094, 2095, 2096, 2097, 2098,
Ids	2099, 2100, 2101, 2102, 2103, 2104, 2105, 2106, 2107, 2108, 2109,

Type Army_Base
Priority 25
Ids	227, 1680, 1681, 1684, 1685, 1686, 1688, 1902, 1904, 1908,
Ids	2087, 2088, 2089, 2090, 2091,

Type Headquarters
Priority 35
Ids	232, 2110, 2111, 2112,

Type Power_Plant
Priority 30
Ids	241, 1459, 1463, 1465, 1868, 1869, 1870, 1871, 1872, 1873, 1874, 
Ids	1875, 2286,

Type Factory
Priority 30
Ids	218, 230, 234, 872, 1344, 1347, 1348, 1349, 1350, 1351, 1352,
Ids	1353, 1354, 1355, 1356, 1357, 1358, 1413, 1471, 1723, 1810, 1811,
Ids	1812, 1813, 1815, 1816, 1817, 1819, 1820, 1821, 1822, 1823, 1824,
Ids	1825, 1826, 1827, 1828, 1829, 1830, 1831, 1832, 1833, 1834, 1835,
Ids	1836, 1837, 1838, 1839, 1840, 1841, 1842, 1843, 1844, 1846, 1847,
Ids	1848, 1849, 1850, 1851, 1852, 1853, 1854, 1855, 1856, 1857,

Type Radar_Station
Priority 30
Ids	2113, 2114, 2115, 2116, 2117, 2119, 2122, 2123, 2124, 2125, 2126,
Ids	2127, 2128, 2129, 2130, 2131,

Type Nuclear_Plant
Priority 30
Ids	238, 873, 1420, 1427, 1428, 1433, 1730, 1731, 1732, 1733, 1734, 
Ids	1735, 1736, 1737, 1738, 1739, 1740, 1909, 2134,

Type Refinery
Priority 35
Ids	1363, 1412, 1479, 1722, 1728, 1729, 

Type Chemical_Plant
Priority 30
Ids	245, 1451, 1725, 1726, 1727, 1814, 1818, 1845, 1910, 1441, 1451,
Ids	1720, 1721, 1724,

Type SAM_Site
Priority 30
Ids	1689, 1690, 1694, 1695, 1696, 1697,

PMC Youtube channel · Post by **Snake Man** » 2007-05-03 21:58:38

Wow that config looks good, so it creates too many villages and such things or did you refer to the additional stuff for airbases for example?

Sherlock · Post by **Sherlock** » 2007-05-03 22:20:21

Snake Man wrote:Wow that config looks good, so it creates too many villages and such things or did you refer to the additional stuff for airbases for example?

I was referring to the additional stuff. It creates the villages, towns, and cities properly (based on the DCW data). It's the refineries, factories, Army Bases, etc., that I was referring to having too many of and having to go back through and selectively delete many of them.

The only drawback in this whole process that I see is that there are so many "NoNames" in the DCW data for towns and villages. It's a two-edged "sword" using the "IgnoreNoNames 1" command. If you use it you don't have to deal with the "NoNames" but it can cut out some important towns or villages that you will need to add back in manually later. If you don't use it then you have to deal with the multitude of "NoNames" in the town and village data.

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