Help to build Desert Storm faster?

[Snake Man]

I was wondering, how many of you readers here would be willing to help tile (texturing) the Desert Storm theater?

I have the knowledge of working out pretty much anything with the theater files, but tiling is such a large task that one guy cannot do it alone (fast).

If you read my previous post from Falcon 4.0 area, you know that there is a chance of this theater to slip long into next winter if I need to tile this by myself.

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Snake Man

[Snake Man]

Another thing about tiling, we have autotiling but its ugly and we cannot base Ground Campaign to that tiling as there are gaps in the roads and the units cannot move.

However I can have ugly terrain and bombing campaign for desert storm in hmm lets say in a week? but is this really what we want... at least I want quality.

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Snake Man

[TheSilkMan]

Is it possible to do a level one beta using autotile? The tilers could then clean it up by hand. Not sure if it would look like patch work but could save a lot of time.

[Snake Man]

quote:Originally posted by TheSilkMan:
Is it possible to do a level one beta using autotile? The tilers could then clean it up by hand. Not sure if it would look like patch work but could save a lot of time.

Well I can make nice "desert" with autotile, no problems but the important thing here is roads/rivers/citys. Autotile wont do them good enough, every city and river crossing is quite BAD with terrainview autotile.

But autotile + human road/river/city fixing for important places... that is faster than normal 100% tiling indeed. Important places are Kuwait, Iraq/Saudi border and nearby area. For starters we can almost ignore all Iran because in Desert Storm nothing was happening there.

Another small thing to speed up (auto)tiling is to leave out all rivers. If we leave rivers out then terrainview autotiling does pretty much perfect job with he roads.

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Snake Man

[Death_119]

But man you still don't know how to make ground units to move.

[Snake Man]

quote:Originally posted by Death_119:
But man you still don't know how to make ground units to move.

I know. And the answer to your next guestion, well yes the tutorial should be updated... but my knowledge is based on working texture.bin - but wait a while. it will be few days and I got some news for you mud movers.

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Snake M

[Death_119]

quote:Originally posted by Snake_Man:
I know. And the answer to your next guestion, well yes the tutorial should be updated... but my knowledge is based on working texture.bin - but wait a while. it will be few days and I got some news for you mud movers.
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Snake M

wait are you sure you know how to add a fully working dynamic campaign with moving ground units such as in korea.





[This message has been edited by Death_119 (edited February 24, 2001).]

[ccc]

Dudi,
didnt you check Vnam campaign? Snake Man already makes ground units roaring there.
its dynamic, though in smaller scale

Surely your Israeli theater can share this tank battle too!
Hows those Israli tank skins? beta 1 scheduled?

Be patient, Snake Man will show you the magic

[Death_119]

Well no news about skins for the IDF and other Arab nation tanks. exept the great once you already gave me thanks. also i wating for ron nair team and few more great guys to finish my jet skins. yep tanks are perfect for my theater could be cool to find lots of them fighting in the sinai desert and all across the middle east
small scale you said is it possible to do that in a large scale?

[42jeff]

I'm game. How do I start? What do I need?

I'm studying for Tech and will be testing on Friday...after that I'm all yours. Well...that and my devotion to getting the F-111 fixed in F4.

Jeff

[krfrge]

I could give you a couple of weekends. Schedule is really busy right now thru AUG01. Hey I ain't that good but I do work hard.

[Snake Man]

At this moment I'm researching if we can have 64 segment map by using DEM 2 L2 Spherical Converter. My aim is to fit KKMC and most of Iraq into the 64 segments.

Its just that this converter is mad slow for the feature conversion.

Anyways, even if we use spherical conversion we will miss those large airbases used in the war.

btw my 128 segment desert storm test theater is like my Vlarge vietnam... campaign is running but no flights get scheduled. GRRR!

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Snake Man

[Snake Man]

This is example of the spherical converter map. its the default (working) 64 segments.

Notice how we only can fit King Khalid Military City in this map... rest of the large bases are out

Damn I wish the 128 segment campaign would run!

http://www.pmctactical.org/f4/screensho ... iraq-3.jpg

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Snake Man

[brewskie]

hmm, maybe you don't need to go so far
north of bagdad, have more of saudi instead.

[Snake Man]

We would have to go so down in the Saudi Arabia that dunno if we could fit even Baghdad anymore

Here is rather large screenshot (284kb 2048x2048 res) of the map with airbases, which are colored white.

http://www.pmctactical.org/f4/screensho ... rbases.jpg

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Snake Man

[brewskie]

T-bone and Snakeman
I asked Ron Nair to do a nice F-117 skin
for this theater. If not maybe someone else.

[Snake Man]

Operation Desert Storm, Long 44.0 lat 32.0 done by Spherical Converter.

http://www.pmctactical.org/f4/screensho ... iraq-4.jpg

Coalition airbases are marked with red, let me know what you guys think.
If this would be a good theater location (for starters), I have all the files ready for tiling so we can begin working very soon if necessary.

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Snake Man

[Widowmaker]

ok I'm really wondering.......

could you post the pic that was made with the spherical converter without featers.
I'd really like to see it..

Widowmaker aka Metalhead

[Snake Man]

quote:Originally posted by Widowmaker:
could you post the pic that was made with the spherical converter without featers.

http://www.pmctactical.org/f4/screensho ... iraq-5.jpg

As requested

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Snake Man

[Widowmaker]

ok well sorry

looks good yet

you usede mirams program right
sperical..

Let me see the picture produced by the DEM2LF.exe itself as the Iceland and Falklands map

sorry to have been confusing

Widowmaker aka Metalhead

[Snake Man]

quote:Originally posted by Widowmaker:
Let me see the picture produced by the DEM2LF.exe itself as the Iceland and Falklands map

Ok here it is, but there is those Saudi Arabia features included... they are very faint tho in this image.

http://www.pmctactical.org/f4/screensho ... iraq-6.jpg

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Snake Man

[brewskie]

quote:
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Coalition airbases are marked with red, let me know what you guys think.
If this would be a good theater location

IMO this is very good theater.The first 41 days followed USAF Col. John Warden's bombing strategy of targeting Iraq leadership centers in and around Bagdad. Also targeted were the CCC,comm networks,power grids,radars and supply lines. Bagdad was viewed as the "brain" the objective was to put a bullet in the brain and the rest of the body would die(saddam would pull out). Targeting the ground forces didn't start until late Jan. with B-52's. They were not effective in destroying tanks, so on Feb 5, 1991 Gen Buster Glosson devised a new method, he sent out a flight of F-111's equiped with LGB's. During the day, the Iraqi tanks had grown hot in the sun, at dusk/night they retained some of this heat, and were easily targeted by IR,lased and plinked. Once the Iraqi tanks were destroyed, the Iraqi infantry in Kuwait lost morale and then surrenderd in large numbers. War was over 10 years to the day on Feb. 28, 1991.




[This message has been edited by brewskie (edited March 01, 2001).]

[Snake Man]

Ok its time to start this project.

I've made the texture.bin for Operation Desert Storm (ODS), 103 sets, 922 tiles. H tiles zipped 10.8mb.

Terrain files are setup for standard desert tile now (there is no green anywhere in sight), ready for tiling. theater + tdf files 2.8mb.

Excel sheet for tiling progress is ready.

Basic layout of objects are done with my modified procae program.

Everything is set, we are ready to go. Now we need the tilers to join up and help us out. Please

I'll be making update for the tiling progress charts to show ODS, also some small tiling tutorial (for ODS) will be appearing. But now all tilers should contact me by email at nospam - if you have just a bit of time to help us out, the sooner we will be flying around moving ground units in the Gulf.

"Our objectives are clear. Our cause is just. Now you'll be the thunder and lightning of Desert Storm."

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Snake Man

[Widowmaker]

wel let the segmenst comming..

Good Luck

[Widowmaker]

could you give me the excact coordinates of the map thanx in advance Widowmaker

[This message has been edited by Widowmaker (edited March 01, 2001).]

[42jeff]

Again I say...sign me up!

Just...ah...be patient with me. I'm new.

Jeff

[Snake Man]

quote:Originally posted by 42jeff:
Again I say...sign me up!

Email me to nospam and I'll give you details of how to start tiling.

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Snake Man

[Cobra]

I'll give it a try.

[JaguarIV]

Hi there,

I am willing to give some help with tiling. I helped witht he Balkans theater, so I am familiar with the procedure. Let me know what my assignment is.

Jaguar

[JaguarIV]

Here is a post with a link to my address. Sorry about that.

[Snake Man]

Ok thanks guys.

email me at nospam and I'll get you going.

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Snake Man