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FF *shakes head*

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@ Zaggy: yes advertising would be necessary!!! IF the time will come, could you tell us more about the issue with water barriered theaters? I'm definately not the expert on this, BUT as I understand it F4 has a problem with transporting materiel over water... the reason, you need to load a unit ont...

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If youre really going to try and build a new team, I think you need a NEW PROJECT, and a better place to advertise for ppl... The guys that come here are already interested in Terrain Dev, but it kind of sounds like you want to bring new ppl in too? My next piece of advice; find a good programmer or...

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And now, on behalf of Ranger, I'm putting a call out for WEBHOSTING for OpenSkins!

We have no server space anymore!

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Thats weird! My work on the Data pretty much scoped out once we had data sucessfully loading into DEM2Terrain and generating valid TDF's... All i can suggest here is standard problem solving skills here: - Start again, with fresh GLOBE data (maybe even pick a slightly different theater center; - add...

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yeah, updates on Korea128 progress?

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So, any updates?

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ja, Julian stopped hanging round the F4 modding scene and replying to mails, a LONG time ago... 2001-ish, maybe?

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Hmmm, who is the CATE expert round here these days?

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Hmmm ok, thats a bit different to the standardsi used to use, and from memory, what PMC uses... esp the diagonal stuff...

No, from the image above, this is a different standard set by Combat360, and doesnt represent the standard originally sued by MPS and PMC...

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Good stuff... all is NOT lost!

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Well Sherlock??? Has Bluey done it again???

What did you fix Bluey?

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We know you can change the resolution of the terrain. Widowmaker did it with his 250m L2 terrain (iceland, wasnt it?)... So the question is, are there limits on the terrain resolution? Therefore you could do something like have a 128x128 theater with an 800m L2 instead of 1000m L2... So suddenly 204...

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Cool man... Im just curious as its such a 'weird' thing. Seems pretty rough having to rename all the point data because something bizarre has gone on... But yeah, if you find anything, just let us know!

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OK, how about rebuilding the terrain with as little in it as possible... IE, remove all the objectives and etc... You could even NOT load the TDF's (in case there is something screwy in one of them)... Finally, if all else fails, move the center of the theater a degree north, south, east or west and...

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I'd probably start by rebuilding the theater using JUST the GLOBE data (not the SRTM data) and see what happens. Im not saying i think its the SRTM data doing it, im just saying, cut stuff back and make it as simple as possible... Once youve got the GLOBE based theater working OK, re-insert the SRTM...

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Cool... This is becoming stranger and stranger, isnt it!

Other factors could be:
- number of 'countries' worth of data
- longitude/latitude

pretty much everything else i can think of really couldnt have much of a bering on the outcome (DEM Data, Theater size, etc)

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Also remember, the places wont be out by MUCH... The points are numbered somehow so the next number is fairly close to the last number... BUT this is interesting... SO, SOME area's work and others may not... Before i start coding a small fix, we should confirm this... I wonder if it has to do with s...

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Ranger, are you talking about Showtime 100? The jet flown (into the sea) by Driscoll and Cunningham? They were sitting on a score of two, shot down 3 in one mission (inlcuding the alledged 13 kill NV Ace Col Tomb) that ended up with them banging up the bosses jet and having to punch out once they we...

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It makes sense... Tis a fairly easy programmatical error to make...

(youve a list of numbers STARTING at 1, and youre probably loading them into an array starting at 0... Its very easy to just user intCounter instead of maybe intCounter+1 or intCounter-1...)

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Indeed. If you get bored, have a look at the raw data... e00 are basically a text format, so it shouldnt be too hard to understand bits of what youre looking at... Position Data is the first major block of data (LAB Block), while Label data tends to be in the last half/third of the file (IFO Block)....

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Looking at your screen shot, it looks like its ALL the DATA... Which would lead me to point the finger at DEM2L... Probably something small like the names are being imported into an array and assigned to the previous or next location, instead of their location... if it is something simple like that,...

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Malc, this is with ALL Data or just the Russian Data? Its looking like ALL Data?

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Ah no worries...

Yeah, im sure you'll run into a few of those types of issues; partly due to as you say, the coast lines not being the most accurate, AND the tiles having a limited scope of coverage... But yeah, you seem to know this...

Again, this post is probably of NO HELP!!!

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At first, I wondered if it was something to do with Zaggy's Russia data, but soon after I found the Japan datas were just as bad - so kudos to Zaggy (again) for not making things worse! :) I do try... Cheers... :) Just curious - has anyone else experienced the same...? Yes, I have noticed this in M...

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I think youre completely out of your mind... hahhaha... But yeah, MANY years ago, when i first started playing with Terrain, my first experiments were on a Taiwain theater (before i was told to STOP, blah blah...)... The First series of China data I got, were projected... The last time I DL'd the Ch...

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OK, if i remember right, F4 uses the Bottom Left hand Segment (or is it just the tile?!?! i think it could be just the 'tile' area) as the 'out of bounds' terrain... So ALL terrain OUTSIDE your 16x16 segs will be just this small area repeating over and over... Wasnt the rule always to have the Botto...

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Sounds about right... Back in days when FreeFalcon didnt instantly BAN me the moment i reered my head! hahahaha OK, just going to ADD some data to that... The L2: Records (DWORD, WORD, BYTE, BYTE, BYTE - or in VS Language, Int32, Int16, Byte, Byte, Byte, all UNSIGNED!!!) are arranged into segments.....

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Awesome Stuff Ranger!

Youve done very well with the bare metal sections on the F-4 especially... In answerto 'who's jet is this', its (now Retired General) Robin Olds (is it Robin or Robert or something like that) jet isnt it?

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Cool... the original China stuff was busted... I fixed that stuff to tho... hahaha, ppl can use either now i guess! China: http://www.simmersworld.com/~openskin/download/China.zip Russia: http://www.simmersworld.com/~openskin/download/RussiaCentralv2.zip http://www.simmersworld.com/~openskin/downloa...

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In addition, some background on the datasets... The Russian and Chinese Datasets are BIG. Very big, in comparision to the rest of the world. While the REST of the world's data was rendered to a GEOGRAPHIC (or Mercator) project, for some reason, these BIG datasets were Rendered to a LAMBERT projectio...

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Does anybody succedded to get the Dcw files for China working ? i remember that China dcw data were problematic , non of it e00. files are working . i am interested in making a TaiwanTheatre, but needs a working data for China . if anybody have any clue how to or from where to get them working , pl...

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Cool, i take it the Data works?!?! Cos i did the conversion FROM MEMORY and was not able to test any of the data locally... cool... Snakey, does PMC want to also host the RussiaWest, RussiaCentral, RussiaEast and China corrected data sets? Lets face it, its where everyone comes! As per always the on...

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Yeah, china got fixed with the Russian Data 2+ years ago... Tho if memory serves me, Snakey already had a source for good china data...

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Sorry the fix for Russia Central took so long... Life, Sickness, School, etc... Also dont forget, there is data for China too.

There is no excuse anymore for anyone NOT to be creating cool theaters...

Anyone want to take a stab at Berings?

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yeah, should be about 14.03 or something Mb... Its up now anyway...

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35mins to go... oh yeah, i LOVE dial up!

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Best Person to ask is most probably Blueprint... If he hasnt written something down, you maybe able to persuade him to...

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OK... Im uploading a test set now... Im trying to find some russian data here so i can check locally, but to no avail yet... BUT Snakey, if you want to try them, they should be uploaded in about 90mins from now (yes, im still on slow net!)... http://www.simmersworld.com/~openskin/download/RussiaCent...

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GDay Snakey...

I finished school for the semester, the other week... Dug up the old raw convert files for Central Russia and Ive been working on the data conversion again... when you get a moment, drop me a line. I will have some data files for you to test very shortly...

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