Research / reference links for historical accuracy etc

PMC Youtube channel · Post by **Snake Man** » 2007-10-21 20:35:05

This topic is about research / reference material like links, images etc various items we have and will have in VTE. It is my policy that I will not accept a plain link in these forums anymore as 95% of the cases the site goes down after X amount of time, so when you link, add the most important pieces of the linked site as quoted text, thank you.

Here is quick overview of the existing resource / discussion topics in OFP VTE v0.4 forum area.

Rucksack / Backpack

PT-76 Strength

M41 Walker Bulldog Tank

M-60 & RPD MGs

Soldiers skills / camouflage etc (config.cpp)

Research for US M35 trucks

Huey door guns
M60D 7.62mm firing rate of 550 spm (shots per minute). one of two basic ammunition storage systems. The first storage system consists of an ammunition can bracket that mounts to the gun or the mount, the bracket holds a single 200 round ammunition can. The second ammunition storage system is made up of a 500 round ammunition can and a flexible feed chute attached to the base of the mount.

SA-2
SA-2 Surface to air missile launcher. SA-2 in Wikipedia. Someone in ghost recon forums made nice model here.

UAZ jeep
Now we would need reference images for UAZ jeeps that the NVA used, anyone have some links/images?

Smoke grenades
M18 Colored Smoke grenade
image, "The grenade produces a cloud of colored smoke for 50 to 90 seconds.". Link: M18 Colored Smoke grenade.

AN-M8 HC White Smoke grenade
image, "The grenade emits a dense cloud of white smoke for 105 to 150 seconds.". Link: AN-M8 HC White Smoke grenade.

VTE's smoke grenades are configured for 90 seconds duration until I received links to correct this fact.

List of bombs in Vietnam war

Bomb list in Wikipedia.

--- Dumb bombs
CBU-55, wikipedia.
Mk-77, wikipeda.
Mk-82, wikipedia.
Mk-82 HDGP
Mk-82 500 LB Bomb
Mk-83, wikipedia.
Mk-84, wikipedia.
Mk-15
Mk-20 Rockeye (CBU-100 Cluster Bomb) CBU-100_Cluster_Bomb in wikipedia.
Mk-22
Mk-38
Mk-117, wikipedia, fas.org and globalsecurity.org.
Mk-118, wikipedia.
Bomb, 250 LBs, 500 LBs, 750 Lbs, 1000 Lbs, HE (High Explosive), general purpose

--- Guided bombs
AGM-62 Walleye, wikipedia.
BLU-3 Pineapple, wikipedia.
BLU-18
BLU-17/B
BLU-26/B
BLU-24/B
BLU-36/B
BLU-66/B
BLU-59/B
BLU-61A/B
BLU-63/B
BLU-77/B
BLU-24/B
BLU-85/B
BLU-86/B
BOLT-117, wikipedia and globalsecurity.org.
GBU-10
GBU-15
GBU-12 Paveway II
GBU-27 Paveway III

--- Fuel Air Explosives
Fuel air bomb
BLU-82 Daisy cutter, wikipedia.
BLU-118

China / North Vietnam

--- Dumb bombs
250 LBs, 500 LBs, 750 Lbs, 1000 Lbs, HE
50-500kg, GP
BETAB-250

--- Fuel Air Explosives
500kg napalm

Also there is some data collected from Falcon 4 Vietnam theater topics, scroll down this topic a bit to find the good information.

All right there is little bit of confusion about NAPALM. The napalm we know present time is called MK-77.

Link: globalsecurity.org, fas.org and wikipedia.

"The MK77 familiy is an evolution of the incendiary bombs M-47 and M-74, used during the conflict in Korea and the war in Vietnam.", I have not found any references from globalsecurity/fas into M-47 or M-74. But its been said that VTE should use the M-47 designation for the napalm cannisters.

About bombs or air launched weapons.

We have now models for the following:
MK-74
MK-81
MK-82
MK-82 Retarded (fins fold out to cause drag)
MK-83
MK-84
BLU-82 Daisycutter
TOW missile (hellfire?)
M-47 (white phosphorous?)
M-117
M-118
FragCluster (?)
FAB-250
CBU-52
AIM-9 Sidewinder
AIM-7 Sparrow
Atoll
AGM-45 Shrike

Only exception is that MK-83, MK-84 and M-118 are placeholders (from MK82 and M117).

USAF/USN/VNAF
The United States Air Force, United States Navy and their South Vietnamese allies, the Vietnamese Air Force, fielded a large array of technologically advanced ground attack and bomber aircraft. These included the *Douglas A-1 Skyraider carrier borne propeller driven dive bomberm the Cessna A-37 Dragonfly, the Northrop F-5 Freedom Fighter, Douglas A-4 Skyhawk carrier borne light attack plane, Grumman A-6 Intruder carrier borne all weather medium bomber and Ling-Temco-Vought A-7 Corsair II carrier borne ground attack plane; the General Dynamics F-111 Aardvark Fighter/Bomber, the Boeing B-52 Stratofortress heavy bomber, Martin B-57 Canberra medium bombers and the English Electric/GAF Canberra B.20 medium bomber. This vast variety of ground attack aircraft used a large number of bombs.

The North Vietnamese Air Force in contrast fielded only a small number of aircraft on limited, largely unsuccessful roles. The majority of them were fighter jets, with limited ground attack capability. These included the MiG-21 jet fighter, the MiG-19 jet fighter, the MiG-17 jet fighter, the MiG-15 jet fighter, and the smaller AN-2 aircraft.

Mortars

VC used "81mm Mortar. Manufactured in North Vietnam and is a copy of the US 81 mm MI Mortar."

- Source 173rdairborne.com.

M19 mortar. The M19 Mortar is a smoothbore, muzzle loading, very light and simple, high-angle-of-fire weapon for light infantry support developed and produced in the United States.

The original M19 just had a simple spade-like baseplate, leaving the elevation and traverse free for the firer. This of course was too inaccurate, and the infantry initially refused the M19. A new mount, the M5, was developed, which used a conventional baseplate and bipod with elevation and traverse adjustment. This gave the M19 better accuracy, but made it heavier than the M2 Mortar with less range.

The M19 fired the same ammunition used in the M2 mortar, which it was supposed to replace. The 60-mm mortar is used by the infantry to lob explosive shells at well-protected hostile locations. The weapon can also fire illumination rounds to light up the battlefield at night, and smoke rounds to provide concealment during the day.

- Source Wikipedia.

Basic US mortars:
60mm
81mm

M30 107 mm (4.2 inch Mortar) heavy mortar

- Source Wikipedia.

Artillery

M101A1 / M102 105mm Towed Howitzer
- Source landscaper.net.

M102 Howitzer. First introduced during the Vietnam War, the M102 was the light-towed 105 mm howitzer used by the United States Army in the Vietnam war, Operations Desert Shield and Desert Storm. It fires a variety of conventional munitions and traverses rapidly through 360 degrees. M102s can be dropped by parachute or transported by utility helicopters for normal movement or air assault operations.

Caliber: 105 mm (4.13 in)
Length: 17.1 feet (5.2 m)
Width: 6.4 feet (2 m)
Height: 5.2 feet (1.6 m)
Weight: 1.6 tons (4.7 t)
Crew: 8
Rate of fire: 10 rounds per minute maximum, 3 rounds per minute sustained
Range: 11,500 m (7.1 miles), 15,100 m (9.4 miles) with rocket-assisted projectile

- Source Wikipedia.

105 SP - (M108).
- Source landscaper.net.

M107 175mm Self-Propelled Gun
- Source landscaper.net.

M108 105mm Self-Propelled Howitzer
- Source wikipedia.

M109 155 self-propelled howitzer.
Weight 27.5 tons
Length 30 ft (9.1 m)
Width 10.3 ft (3.1 m)
Height 10.7 ft (3.3 m)
Crew 8 (Gun Commander, Driver, 6 x Gunners)
Shell separate loading, bagged charge
Caliber 155 mm
Breech interrupted screw
Traverse 360°
Rate of fire 4 round/min maximum, 1 round/min sustained
Effective range 18,000 m - 30,000 m (with rocket-assisted projectile)
Primary armament M126 155 mm Howitzer
Secondary armament .50 caliber (12.7 mm) M2 machine gun
Engine diesel
Suspension torsion-bar
Operational range 216 mi (350 km)
Speed 35 mph (56 km/h)

- Source Wikipedia.

M110 8-inch self-propelled howitzer. The M110's rate of fire can reach 3 rounds per minute when at maximum, and 1 round per 2 minutes with sustained fire. Its range varies from 16,800 m to 30,000 m when equipped with a rocket-assisted projectile.

Weight 28.3 tonnes (62,390 lbs)
Length 10.8 m (35.43 ft)
Width 3.1 m (10.17 ft)
Height 3.1 m (10.17 ft)
Crew 13 (Driver, Gunner(2x), Loader(2x), (Support Crew(8x)-Other Vehicle))
Armor 13 mm (.51 in)
Primary armament 8" M201A1 Howitzer
2 Rounds
Engine General Motors 8V71T, 8-cylinder, supercharged diesel
405 hp (302.01 kW)
Suspension Torsion Bar
Operational range 523 km (325 mi)
Speed 55 km/h (34 mph)

- Source Wikipedia.

M114A1 Towed

122 mm howitzer M1938 (M-30)
Actually unknown if this was used in Vietnam war, if someone can confirm please do.
- Source Wikipedia.

M55

Australian Artillery

M101 105 mm Howitzer M2A1
105mm Howitzer M3
- Source wikipedia.

Nort Vietnam Artillery

Artillery:
120mm guns
122mm Katyusha Rockets
- Source wikipedia.

Mortars:
82mm
120mm (M1938)
- Source wikipedia.

Aircrafts / Loadouts

F105 Thunderchief (metal color)
3x + 3x + 3x + 3x MK82 underbelly, 3x + 3x MK82 inner wings, 1x MK82 outer wings.

A6 Intruder
3x + 3x + 3x + 3x MK82 wings.

PMC Youtube channel · Post by **Snake Man** » 2007-10-22 09:15:20

Anybody find reference links for huey door guns, how many rounds of ammunition did they carry etc?

anzacsas · Post by **anzacsas** » 2007-10-22 12:16:10

hiya
Ron here 4 my first post...here goes

M60D 7.62mm Flexible Machine Gun is a flexible, gas-operated, air-cooled machine gun having a firing rate of 550 spm (shots per minute). The M-60D machine gun is utilized by the UH-1, H-2, H-3, and H-60 aircraft. Depending in the specific aircraft application the M-60D gun system consists of the gun, a pintle mount (M-21, M-23, or DAS), and one of two basic ammunition storage systems. The first storage system consists of an ammunition can bracket that mounts to the gun or the mount, the bracket holds a single 200 round ammunition can. The second ammunition storage system is made up of a 500 round ammunition can and a flexible feed chute attached to the base of the mount. This aircraft gun has spade grips, an aircraft ring-type sight and an improved ammunition feed system. A canvas ejection control bag attaches to the machine gun to catch ejected links and cartridge cases, preventing them from being ejected into the path of the rotor blades or turbine engine intake. The M60D was used on the M23, XM29, M59, and the Sagami mount on UH-1 series "Huey", the M24 and M41 on the CH-47 series Chinook, the XM32 and XM33 on the ACH-47A "Guns-A-Go-Go", and the M144 on the UH-60 series Black Hawk. The M60D was classified Standard A

hope i did it right and this helps.....

NeF · Post by **NeF** » 2007-10-22 14:56:18

Some images I found, hope it can help.

Airsoft replica and seems to be a more recent version but good pic:

PMC Youtube channel · Post by **Snake Man** » 2007-10-24 06:24:34

Would anybody find for us SA-2 surface to air missile with launcher references, here is what I'm looking for, one of these would be ok but in this priority order:

1) 3DS model
2) good blueprints
3) many and good color photos

Would be greatest if sthere is already existing 3ds model, preferably free one, if not then we would need blueprints... and even if that fails, then we would need good color photos. And I'm sure we can find photos, its just that its very very difficult to start to properly model from just a photo without measurement reference etc.

I mean I assume that nobody has done & released SA2 for OFP?

NeF · Post by **NeF** » 2007-10-24 08:57:52

PMC Youtube channel · Post by **Snake Man** » 2007-10-24 10:14:07

Thanks NeF for the images they were great. However I removed the hyperlink things because the images are so large, it will blow off the forum

Thanks again.

NeF · Post by **NeF** » 2007-10-24 13:22:37

related to the huey gunner, here are some nice views of the thing.
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=AjHKeGqlf-M&NR=1

anzacsas · Post by **anzacsas** » 2007-10-24 19:09:37

cool pics nef

PMC Youtube channel · Post by **Snake Man** » 2007-10-25 12:07:30

Added smokegrenade facts as seen below:

Smoke grenades
M18 Colored Smoke grenade
image, "The grenade produces a cloud of colored smoke for 50 to 90 seconds.". Link: M18 Colored Smoke grenade.

AN-M8 HC White Smoke grenade
image, "The grenade emits a dense cloud of white smoke for 105 to 150 seconds.". Link: AN-M8 HC White Smoke grenade.

VTE's smoke grenades are configured for 90 seconds duration until I received links to correct this fact.

PMC Youtube channel · Post by **Snake Man** » 2007-10-26 07:44:33

All right there is little bit of confusion about NAPALM. The napalm we know present time is called MK-77.

Link: globalsecurity.org, fas.org and wikipedia.

"The MK77 familiy is an evolution of the incendiary bombs M-47 and M-74, used during the conflict in Korea and the war in Vietnam.", I have not found any references from globalsecurity/fas into M-47 or M-74. But its been said that VTE should use the M-47 designation for the napalm cannisters.

Does anyone have any reference links for M-47/M-74?

Any pictures of real napalm cannisters in Vietnam era planes?

Any color napalm explosion images / videos?

Thanks for any help.

NeF · Post by **NeF** » 2007-10-26 13:53:02

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... Napalm.jpg
In vietnam, napalm was often combined with white phosphorus, giving this white "hair" to the explosion:I know this is not a napalm bomb but it's just to show the white things.

would be a nice effect to put in addition of the burning effect.

Now 2 videos (warning it's hard..)
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=IOrnShOifeI
http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=DfMxkBzRsRA

PMC Youtube channel · Post by **Snake Man** » 2007-11-06 00:39:43

What was the specific designation of hand grenades used in NAM, I think the US grenade was M61? but what about NVA/VC, what did they use?

commiejoe · Post by **commiejoe** » 2007-11-13 23:02:52

Wikipedia has a source which states that these were used by the NVA/VC:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapons_of ... all_arms_2

F1 (Limonka) Grenade
RGD-33
RG-42

However, I tried to find other (more reliable) sources to back these claims up but could not find any.

PMC Youtube channel · Post by **Snake Man** » 2007-11-15 10:16:36

Thanks commiejoe about the grenade data.

About bombs or air launched weapons.

We have now models for the following:
MK-74
MK-81
MK-82
MK-82 Retarded (fins fold out to cause drag)
MK-83
MK-84
BLU-82 Daisycutter
TOW missile (hellfire?)
M-47 (white phosphorous?)
M-117
M-118
FragCluster (?)
FAB-250
CBU-52
AIM-9 Sidewinder
AIM-7 Sparrow
Atoll
AGM-45 Shrike

Only exception is that MK-83, MK-84 and M-118 are placeholders (from MK82 and M117).

So what other weapons do we need?

Here is data from Wikipedia: List of bombs in the Vietnam War

USAF/USN/VNAF
The United States Air Force, United States Navy and their South Vietnamese allies, the Vietnamese Air Force, fielded a large array of technologically advanced ground attack and bomber aircraft. These included the *Douglas A-1 Skyraider carrier borne propeller driven dive bomberm the Cessna A-37 Dragonfly, the Northrop F-5 Freedom Fighter, Douglas A-4 Skyhawk carrier borne light attack plane, Grumman A-6 Intruder carrier borne all weather medium bomber and Ling-Temco-Vought A-7 Corsair II carrier borne ground attack plane; the General Dynamics F-111 Aardvark Fighter/Bomber, the Boeing B-52 Stratofortress heavy bomber, Martin B-57 Canberra medium bombers and the English Electric/GAF Canberra B.20 medium bomber. This vast variety of ground attack aircraft used a large number of bombs.

Dumb bombs
CBU-55
Mk-77
Mk-82
Mk-82 HDGP
Mk-82 500 LB Bomb
Mk-83
Mk-84
Mk-15
Mk-20 Rockeye (CBU-100 Cluster Bomb)
Mk-22
Mk-38
Mk-117
Mk-118
Bomb, 250 LBs, 500 LBs, 750 Lbs, 1000 Lbs, HE (High Explosive), general purpose.

Guided bombs
AGM-62 Walleye
BLU-3 Pineapple
BLU-18
BLU-17/B
BLU-26/B
BLU-24/B
BLU-36/B
BLU-66/B
BLU-59/B
BLU-61A/B
BLU-63/B
BLU-77/B
BLU-24/B
BLU-85/B
BLU-86/B
BOLT-117
GBU-10
GBU-15
GBU-12 Paveway II
GBU-27 Paveway III

Fuel Air Explosives
Fuel air bomb
BLU-82 Daisy cutter
BLU-118

China/North Vietnam
The North Vietnamese Air Force in contrast fielded only a small number of aircraft on limited, largely unsuccessful roles. The majority of them were fighter jets, with limited ground attack capability. These included the MiG-21 jet fighter, the MiG-19 jet fighter, the MiG-17 jet fighter, the MiG-15 jet fighter, and the smaller AN-2 aircraft.

Dumb bombs
250 LBs, 500 LBs, 750 Lbs, 1000 Lbs, HE
50-500kg, GP
BETAB-250

Fuel Air Explosives
500kg napalm

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Hmm there. Well there is few factual errors like the MK-77 listed and GBU-27 which came into service 1987 heh. Does anyone have any real factual list of bombs so we dont have to jiggle back and forth with the data?

Thanks.

commiejoe · Post by **commiejoe** » 2007-11-15 20:26:21

I just did a quick web library search of my university's library, and they have a couple books that seem promising.

The naval air war in Vietnam / by Peter B. Mersky, Norman Polmar. --

Like rolling thunder : the air war in Vietnam, 1964-1975 / Ronald B. Frankum, Jr.

I will go check them out tomorrow and see if they have any more information about ordnance

commiejoe · Post by **commiejoe** » 2007-11-20 07:35:41

Just to update, I have read some of the books I was able to check out.

Still researching about the ordnance used.

I have learned a great deal about Australian Forces if any extra information is needed.

PMC Youtube channel · Post by **Snake Man** » 2008-08-26 16:45:27

Mortars

VC used "81mm Mortar. Manufactured in North Vietnam and is a copy of the US 81 mm MI Mortar."

- Source 173rdairborne.com.

M19 mortar. The M19 Mortar is a smoothbore, muzzle loading, very light and simple, high-angle-of-fire weapon for light infantry support developed and produced in the United States.

The original M19 just had a simple spade-like baseplate, leaving the elevation and traverse free for the firer. This of course was too inaccurate, and the infantry initially refused the M19. A new mount, the M5, was developed, which used a conventional baseplate and bipod with elevation and traverse adjustment. This gave the M19 better accuracy, but made it heavier than the M2 Mortar with less range.

The M19 fired the same ammunition used in the M2 mortar, which it was supposed to replace. The 60-mm mortar is used by the infantry to lob explosive shells at well-protected hostile locations. The weapon can also fire illumination rounds to light up the battlefield at night, and smoke rounds to provide concealment during the day.

- Source Wikipedia.

Artillery

M101A1 (105mm).
- Source landscaper.net.

M102 Howitzer. First introduced during the Vietnam War, the M102 was the light-towed 105 mm howitzer used by the United States Army in the Vietnam war, Operations Desert Shield and Desert Storm. It fires a variety of conventional munitions and traverses rapidly through 360 degrees. M102s can be dropped by parachute or transported by utility helicopters for normal movement or air assault operations.

Caliber: 105 mm (4.13 in)
Length: 17.1 feet (5.2 m)
Width: 6.4 feet (2 m)
Height: 5.2 feet (1.6 m)
Weight: 1.6 tons (4.7 t)
Crew: 8
Rate of fire: 10 rounds per minute maximum, 3 rounds per minute sustained
Range: 11,500 m (7.1 miles), 15,100 m (9.4 miles) with rocket-assisted projectile

- Source Wikipedia.

105 SP - (M108).
- Source http://www.landscaper.net/theguns.htm#105 SP

M109 155 self-propelled howitzer.
Weight 27.5 tons
Length 30 ft (9.1 m)
Width 10.3 ft (3.1 m)
Height 10.7 ft (3.3 m)
Crew 8 (Gun Commander, Driver, 6 x Gunners)
Shell separate loading, bagged charge
Caliber 155 mm
Breech interrupted screw
Traverse 360°
Rate of fire 4 round/min maximum, 1 round/min sustained
Effective range 18,000 m - 30,000 m (with rocket-assisted projectile)
Primary armament M126 155 mm Howitzer
Secondary armament .50 caliber (12.7 mm) M2 machine gun
Engine diesel
Suspension torsion-bar
Operational range 216 mi (350 km)
Speed 35 mph (56 km/h)

- Source Wikipedia.

M107 175mm self-propelled
- Source http://www.landscaper.net/theguns.htm#175mm gun (M107)

M110 8-inch self-propelled howitzer. The M110's rate of fire can reach 3 rounds per minute when at maximum, and 1 round per 2 minutes with sustained fire. Its range varies from 16,800 m to 30,000 m when equipped with a rocket-assisted projectile.

Weight 28.3 tonnes (62,390 lbs)
Length 10.8 m (35.43 ft)
Width 3.1 m (10.17 ft)
Height 3.1 m (10.17 ft)
Crew 13 (Driver, Gunner(2x), Loader(2x), (Support Crew(8x)-Other Vehicle))
Armor 13 mm (.51 in)
Primary armament 8" M201A1 Howitzer
2 Rounds
Engine General Motors 8V71T, 8-cylinder, supercharged diesel
405 hp (302.01 kW)
Suspension Torsion Bar
Operational range 523 km (325 mi)
Speed 55 km/h (34 mph)

- Source Wikipedia.

PMC Youtube channel · Post by **Snake Man** » 2008-08-29 18:39:01

I have just updated the first post. Its start to be bit messy, but at least all the discussed data and links are in one single post. So just scroll up to the first post to check it out.

PMC Youtube channel · Post by **Snake Man** » 2008-10-09 15:09:03

Navy SEALs used Walther MPL and MPK.

world guns link.

Here is couple of youtube videos of it being fired: youtube 1 and youtube 2.

warboats.org and wikipedia.

banana · Post by **banana** » 2008-10-10 20:28:33

MPL is already made now, thanks for the sources

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